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Extreme vacuum in coolant system

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by ttou68, Jul 17, 2023.

  1. ttou68

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    Hi all, I have a question concerning a 2012 Prius I bought back last Dec and just now have time looking into it..

    At first I thought high possibility of blown head gasket, but now I'm not so sure.... Because there's very high vacuum pressure in coolant system, so much vacuum that caused the spring valve separate from the cap when I try to twist the cap open to release the vacuum. And coolant was not draining freely until I pry the spring valve off the reservoir..

    I seems to remember that the coolant hoses did not collapse...

    So, what are the possiblity of a blown head gasket if the coolant system hold strong vacuum?

    The codes are... misfire all 4 cylinders, P0117, P148F, P261C, P0A0F..

    Car did drive onto a tow dolly, and onto my driveway where it parked for 7 months..

    So far...,

    1. I've drained the oil and found no coolant.

    2. Drained coolant and it was extremely low but no oil in it..

    3. Tested thermostat, and it seems function correctly.

    4. I've replaced the water pump with a known good functional one..


    I'll replace all spark plugs in the morning,
    pressure test coolant system, and reservoir cap if I can find a tool for it..

    Any insight is greatly appreciated!



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    When you replace the spark plugs the quickest test you can do is touch your tongue to the tip of each spark plug you'll taste coolant on a couple . No you won't die I do this all the time maybe it'll make you as crazy as I am possibly I don't know but vacuum doesn't have much to do with the funny business at all hoses generally aren't going to collapse in the Prius the cooling system is quite a bit different than a regular car although it is still a cooling system but yeah you'll definitely find some coolant taste on a couple of the plugs and then when you pull the head if you bother with that you'll see the damage If you want to get a boriscope that's got good resolution you may have a crack at it with that usually I just blast the head off see the damage and get ready to pull the motor That's a fairly quick thing to be doing.
     
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    Appreciate your comment..

    So, you're saying that the engine possibly have a cracked head or block?

    I didn't find any oil in coolant, nor coolant in oil...
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    On a side note, whenever you get the head gasket sorted and working, you next failure will be the hybrid battery from sitting too long
     
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    Generally in these modern engines a lot of times you can have head gasket seepage enough to quench the fire in the cylinder but yet not turn the oil to look like coffee with creamer in it matter of fact the last time I've seen that has been a long time ago in an old hemi head 2TC 1.6 Corolla motor circa 1975 so it's not real common since the invent of modern engines that you see this extreme mixing of oil and water unless there is a huge crack a large void where water can literally vanish from the The reservoir and into the engine usually on the Toyota's like this you don't lose very much coolant and it's over quite a bit of time so it's a little seepage enough to cause the death rattle make the car run poorly but not flooded kill it and make the oil look like coffee was cream.
     
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    Yeah, I know it all too well but didn't have time working on it.

    I did pull the orange plug from traction battery, and the 12V on charger..
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    Pulling the orange plug (a fuse) doesn't do much....
     
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    Around 225K, which the possibility of blown head gasket came to mind when I bought it.

    This car was covered in ice when I bought it, and was not able to get the hood open..
    Made the assumption of blown head gasket based on the codes, and drove it on tow dolly and tow it home..

    But I'm not so sure now, after draining engine oil and coolant...
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    True, I figured it should keep each block intact as an experiment..
    Will find out after I have the engine sort out, and will balance if needed..
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    A blown head gasket won't always show coolant in the oil. Does it rattle/shake when you start it? Are you losing coolant?
     
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    I only started it twice, drove it from driveway onto tow dolly, then drove off tow dolly onto my driveway. no shake or rattle..

    The coolant tank was empty, and barely a gallon of coolant was drained from engine...
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    Pressure test the cooling system.
     
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    The suction from the coolant reservoir is because it's losing coolant... This is normal because Toyota failed horribly at "improving" the Gen3 engine. The EGR system gets clogged, the piston rings burn oil before 200K and there's no such thing as a 300K mile club for Gen3 Prius.

    The good news is its just the gasket that's usually failed between cylinder #1 & #2 and some people can go years with this problem without much issue if you avoid hot weather and long drives. Once the engine starts running really rough consistently that's when you can destroy the dampener in the transmission if you keep driving it.

    Best long term solution is buying a low mileage Gen4 engine from a wrecker and there's a mobile mechanic on here who's based out of Oklahoma who will swap the engine in your driveway in one day for $1500.
     
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    Yes, I know it all too well concerning Gen 3 and really appreciate your response..

    I don't planning on keeping this one, and I eventually will find one that I would keep and get a Gen 4 engine to play with it...

    Replacing head gasket was my plan when first purchase this, and vacuum this strong in coolant system is the first I've seen.
    I start wondering if head gasket was the issue when I didn't see coolant in oil, and about 60% of coolant has dissipated..

    I figured out the pressure cap issue, the O-ring was dry and stuck. Fixed by lub O-ring and all is good now, so the pressure is normal but stuck O-ring make it seem abnormal...

    Took spark plugs off today, and found cylinder 2 spark plug is wet and oily, so I probably just going to take this engine apart to investigate more and possibly to rebuild it if needed...
    Was hoping to get away from doing it, but oh well...




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    Head gasket fails are more common than a bad plug after 200k mile use on either. Sealers are sometimes used to flip gen3s with additional problems resulting. Oil burning from flawed rings, brake booster and inverter fails were all acknowledged and fixed free by Toyota in the early years.
     
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    I have replaced a few head gaskets, and after doing some research on this vehicle I believe a used car lot has been mess with it before purchased by the seller...

    I found Autolite iridium spark plugs, aftermarket coil packs when I start taking this motor apart, and one of the plugs was soaked in oil at the tip...
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    When you replace the spark plugs the quickest test you can do is touch your tongue to the tip of each spark plug you'll taste coolant on a couple . No you won't die I do this all the time

    Dang, learn something new every day!! I'll be changing plugs, icwp and coolant control valve in a Gen 2 tomorrow (just did the brake actuator). Maybe I'll give 'em a taste test just for the fun of it.
     
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    Don’t do the taste test. I haven’t seen a coolant lately without a bitterant added. Gonna be nasty!
     
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    Won't taste the bitterant if there's no leaking coolant....