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Increased MPG based on fuel type?

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Fuel Economy' started by Dlewisa, Aug 10, 2023.

  1. Dlewisa

    Dlewisa New Member

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    While on a 2200+ miles total vacation I noticed that on the way I got around 47 mpg for interstate and just before I arrived I got a tank of gas with still maybe two hours of interstate and then mixed city highway I was getting 52 mpg. The way home was a bit different and went through mountains. Got around 46 mpg. That 52 is what intrigues me. Is it possible I got ethanol free gas and that contributed to the boost? I was only using the low grade gas and never paid attention to if it had ethanol. Could be a fluke of the terrain there in vacationland and speed limits.

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    it could be either. it's very difficult to tack mpg's except by the tankful, and even then we average long term results
     
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    Somewhat similar experience: one time on a road trip up the coast, we gassed up in a small town, with Chevron regular, and we got noticeably better mpg for the rest of that tank, seemed effortless too. I suspect it was ethanol-free.

    Just that once. Even tried Chevron's highest octane (up here their 94 octane pump has a sticker saying "ethanol-free", made no noticeable difference.
     
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    It could be lots of things. Speed limits. Terrain (mountain descents can be lossy). E10 vs E15 vs E0. Altitude (better engine efficiency and lower air drag at high altitude). Octane (lower octane should have slightly higher energy density, and 85-86 octane is available in certain high altitude areas). Weather. Head / tailwind difference. Differences in road surface roughness. Fuel blend or batch differences. Refueling nozzle cutoff differences. Differences is driving style (if trading driving shifts with a companion) or driver mood (if solo). Etc.
     
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    Sure. Could be either one. Or maybe something else entirely.

    Like a lot of "curiosity" questions that seem to come up here, you likely will never know for sure.
     
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    52 city and hwy combine. 47 interstate by itself. Mystery solved, didn’t even need to put on white lab coat. The slower you drive on a Prius the higher mpg yield.
     
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    Of course it could be differences in driving.

    But it *might* some difference in fuel.
    Main factors:
    (1) %Ethanol and
    (2) the gasoline portion RBOB (Reformulated gaso) will typically be slightly less energy content than CBOB

    There is no energy content (MPG) spec that has to be met, so energy content could vary a little bit. I never had much chance to play around with it due to living in a RFG area where E0 and CBOB are banned. All I got is RBOB + 10% Ethanol. CBOB could vary more than RBOB whereas RBOB is quite constant energy content..

    Of course, the above is a USA discussion...I cannot speak to non-USA fuels

    I did some home "lab" work a few years ago posted here. What you need to measure is %ethanol and density. Higher density and lower ethanol would favor +MPG .
     
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    There's a gas station where I live that offers an E15 gas. Haven't tried it yet. May not. It would probably have to be considerably cheaper.
     
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    Maybe pass? page 560 of Owner's Manual:

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    Back while ago, 2 users ganged up on me saying that the gen 3 can take e15 and it went on for 4 pages. I uploaded a photo of the exact page and the 2 users no longer replied, they were users from the gen 4 sub forum. The gas cap will also tell you in print.
     
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    Go for it! It should gum up the fuel circuit, projects are nice to have.
     
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    I always get better MPG during the return trip. Have noticed the same with multiple cars. First i thought it’s some Italian tune up thing but no, it’s just driving style.
     
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    It seems it's just the new battery. I got the car free from a neighbor who had it sitting in his driveway a year or year and a half. I asked if he wanted to get rid of it and he told me to take it. After clearing the P0A80 it didn't come back for quite a while. So that mileage was 47 or 48. When I got the new battery I don't think they unhooked the 12v when they put it in and I drove it a while without resetting the trip meter and the MPG didn't really improve much. I guess it was resetting the trip meter before that long drive revealed the better MPG. I reset it at every fill up now. pretty good for around $5k of tires, batteries, preventative stuff, and upgrades.

    I suppose I'll add a catch can at some point to keep it cleaner longer. It has used a little oil. It was to the top dimple on the stick and I have under 1000k to the next change and it's at or below the bottom one. Similar to my 2001 Corolla. I'll probably do every 5k rather than 10k for changes.
     
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    Yeah I agree, forego the egr cleaning.
     
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    I did that when I got it. Around 150k. Probably do it every 50k.
     
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    @diewisa I’m pretty sure this is grit’s wry humour. At 150k you’re getting into head gasket failure territory; get on the EGR clean ASAP, including intake manifold. At least 50 k sooner would be better; HG faiure is a gradual thing.

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    I get better mpg from shell regular
     
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    Cheaper now, pay much more later for repairs, poor man buys twice, rich man buys once.
     
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    I mentioned that I did it above at 150K. Pressure washer was the only thing that worked. Followed by oven cleaner to get the really stuck on bits. Next time it'll probably get the same or plugged on one end and filled with a NaOH solution made from crystal drain cleaner about the same strength as the oven cleaner and a long soak. Manifold and all that cleaned out. EGR valve was replaced and the software update about 20K previous by the former owner. He did all of the work at toyota so i have it all via their app. Handy things to have.
     
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    gotcha, didn’t realize deed was done.

    corking one end and filling with solution is very efficient. Let it soak about an hour, rinse and repeat. I found about 5 cycles had it like new, albeit first time around was at maybe 65k kms, so very easy. I used Oxi-Clean Versatile Stain Remover (laundry powder), in concentrated hot water solution.

    If you want to go with NaOH ((aka lye), Draino is a witches brew now, has a lot of extra ingredients (including shredded aluminum if I’m not mistaken) but you should be able to order lye on Amazon; it’s a soap making staple.