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Pulled and cleaned fuel injectors, now I have a heavy fuel leak - please advise

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by Rrrolfff, Aug 18, 2023.

  1. Rrrolfff

    Rrrolfff Junior Member

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    Gen 3 Prius, I pulled out the injectors, once I tightened down the fuel rail, and started the car, there's a pretty good leak at the 3/4 cylendar - trying to go out on a Fridsy night, but im stucj till i solve tbis ness

    Help is greatly appreciated!
     
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    What exactly do you expect anyone to tell you ???

    Either: You didn't put it back together right OR something like a gasket or seal was
    damaged in the process.

    I don't know how that fits together but it often is possible to tighten things
    TOO tight and actually cause a leak.
     
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    Yep, post 2.
    OP, tell us what you found.
     
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    That's been a problem for others before. Inserting O-ringed things into things isn't exactly complicated but there's a touch to it that's essential. Toyota puts pictures in the repair manual but could stand to emphasize the importance even more.

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    As in that manual excerpt, what they specify for lubing the O-rings first is gasoline or maybe "spindle oil" (bit more obscure and hard to find).

    If the O-ringed end of the injector doesn't get fully seated in the fuel rail and then you crank down the fuel rail bolts, it can end up kind of squashing the injector. Even if it doesn't look bad, it could possibly bind internally or just not work right. More headaches.
     
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    When you fit the injectors into the head and then put the rail on top of them and what have you You will know it feels correct when you can rotate the injector between the rail and the cylinder head where they're seated you should be able to rotate them around very smoothly it will feel like you're turning a damp knob on an old or older radio kind of smooth rubbery feeling If you get those o-rings cockeyed wampy jawed or anything like that this is exactly what you will have is leaks so now you need to undo the feel rail lift the mess up off of there and try it again It is remotely possible you damage and folded an o-ring doing this so look at them all carefully I use my magnifying glasses when I need to to make sure I haven't crimped or damaged any of the o-rings once you do this twice you'll immediately know what happened pretty much.
     
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    Thanks to the responses - I pulled it apart and noticed the spacer guides on the two bolts were damaged and hence not aligning the injectors. I bought new ones, and will take more care in their install - sounds pretty straight forward - the o rings were $22 ea (!) - so I just got the $20 spacers and am hoping that works - I'll post my (hopefully) happy conclusion once this mess gets sorted out
     
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    The injector o-rings top and bottom or $22 a pop maybe this is in a foreign country or something I don't think locally but anything is possible another injector $20 away or something about 50 bucks a pop possibly a tad less no not from Toyota.
     
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    I replaced the injectors, everything seemed to seat nicely, still a huge leak at the 4th (driver's side). Wondering if something could be going on in the rail??? Any other advise for reattaching this thing? I'm going to move the injectors around n try it again - taking a break hoping that time heals...

    The o ring at Toyota of orange was 22. Irvine sold me one for $10...
     
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    Well, it probably ruined tonight, but I bet you'll figure it out next time you look at... In the meantime, maybe there's some parts you could replace with brand new? In times like these I start throwing money at whatever I can afford that's brand new repair job.
    Maybe there's others parts you could replace with brand new? In times like these I'm willing to start throwing money at whatever I can afford that's brand new so everything gets a fresh start and whatever caused the problem, even if I never find out, ends up in the garbage can.
     
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    Through Amayama I'm seeing $1.98 (CDN) apiece, plus $14.37 for shipping. When you bump the quantity to 4, the shipping remains $14.37:

    https://www.amayama.com/en/catalogs/toyota/prius/3-hatchback-right-xw30-2009-2830/engine-fuel-system-and-tools-1/fuel-injection-system-49

    https://www.amayama.com/en/part/toyota/9030107037

    If it's similar price for you, that'd work out to $4.18 USD apiece, shipping included. The math:

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    Maybe get 8, likely still the same shipping cost.
     
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    If the fuel rail was tightened down hard enough with an injector cockeyed, it might be possible the rail's a bit misshapen now.
     
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    Is it necessary to service the injectors if car working fine? I mean i have never pulled them out from any of my cars and they are driven a lot
     
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    I'd leave them be unless I had some concern with how the engine was running and wanted to know if they were the cause.

    If I did have that concern and wanted to know, I'd have them tested and restored.

    These were clearly not at fault in the car they came from:

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    And these clearly were:

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    Note that in the bad set, three were kind of mildly bad before restoration, but #2 was much worse. That kind of imbalance can make for very rough running.
     
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    Well - excellent progress - I bought new injectors, carefully loaded them in the head after greasing them, and the leak is gone. Bad news (really good news cause the fuel rail works and doesn't leak) is it runs like hell with these cheap injectors (Amazon $39 for 4!). Now I will reinstall the ones I fixed n cleaned - and I'm guessing (hoping) I can post once more with the postmortem
     
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    Am I misreading this, or does it sound like you're putting them in the head first, and trying to attach the rail next?

    If so, I think you'd make your life easier by following the repair-manual illustrations in #4, and twirling the injectors with their O rings into the fuel rail first, as those are the tougher connections to get right. Fitting the injectors down into the head next isn't as hard.

    It's the connections to the fuel rail that have to withstand fuel-line pressure all the time without leaking.

    Where they sit in the head, those connections just have to seal against the intake vacuum, which is less of a challenge.
     
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    Well - thanks to everyone's support, I started it this am, no fuel leaks, and it started and purred for 2 seconds.

    Off to my new issue - I'm getting P0121 and P0123 - throttle position switch circuit high and circuit range. Ugg - so close - I'm stir crazy and want this thing moving again!
     
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    So I took care installing the injectors, jiggling the fuel rail as I aligned it with the injectors, all injectors could spin pretty freely - and this am, it all came back.

    Summary - be careful aligning the injectors, they should spin around n move side to side. Don't buy the cheap $39 for a set of 4 injectors, they ran horribly - it's pretty easy to fix and cleanexisting injectors - and it seems they rarely have a hard fail, they just get a little clogged. To clean em, I put them spray down in carb cleaner for 30 min. I then got some 1/2 inch clear tubing at Home Depot. Set the carb spray red tube in it, used some tape to cover the end with the tube sticking through it, then poured epoxy to make a hard cap with the red tube embedded. Of note, be gentle with the tube, it came de-epoxied after a bit, but I stuck it back in n held it - which worked. Apply 12Vdc to the injector (I used alligator wires from Harbor Freight n took 12V from the fuse panel in the engine - where you jumper the car to start) while spraying cleaner. The injectors got noticeably clear spray after a few seconds. That it - not too tough and saves $$$$ compared with new Toyota.

    Now I'm off trying to diagnose a throttle position sensor that's going crazy after this mess of a fix.

    In reality, it's a fast easy fix if you take care n read the YouTubes
     
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    End to my saga - the throttle errors were cause I disconnected a connector that runs to through the fuel injector harness - it all seems to work now