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2010 Head Gasket replacement - questions before reassembly

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by bdc101, Oct 22, 2023.

  1. bdc101

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    Yes, I understand, but I guess the conclusion I'm coming to is that I'll need to spin the motor not just twice but probably several times (up to 18) before the painted links hit all three marks on the same revolution.

    Haven't had time to get back under the car yet but will tonight or tomorrow at the latest.

    Thanks all for sticking with me on this btw! I read up on the P3190 and I hope it's just being caused by the timing being off. Couldn't find any obvious vacuum leaks.
     
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    Ok, so I rotated the crank so the timing mark on the pulley was at the 0 degrees point... Then I checked the painted links on the cams. (I had to rotate it like 8-9 rotations of the crank to get these to line up.)

    When I did this, the dual painted link was on the correct spot. But the single painted link was one spot ahead of the correct spot on the exhaust cam. I took the tensioner out and was able to get enough slack by wiggling the crank pulley back and forth with the cams locked in place to adjust the position of the exhaust cam.

    Started it up and no more code. Was not able to drive it (too late last night) so I just checked the codes. The check engine light did not come on, but interestingly there is still a pending code for camshaft/crankshaft correlation. It wouldn't go away when I cleared codes. Anyways. I'll drive it this morning and see what comes of it. The engine definitely sounded better when it started at least.
     
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    Drove it around the block a few times and it drove great! The pending P0016 camshaft/crankshaft correlation code actually tripped the MIL, but I reset it and it didn't come back and wasn't even pending after a few more drives around the neighborhood for 15 minutes or so. Drives pretty good! Wouldn't go into EV mode because the battery was too low, but I assume that's because it was using the battery a lot going around the neighborhood at low speed and not braking much.

    Need to get the wiper cowl and the underbody parts back on, and then good to go! The title already came in from the DMV and I got insurance on it too. So I get to commute in it next week! (Except that I work from home so I don't have a commute.)
     
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    Any insight how the link was off one link? It seems it happens more often than desired.
     
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    I'm glad you found the issue and were able to easily correct it!
    But you didn't NEED to rotat the motor so many times. Twice was all you needed.
    The exhaust cam would have still been off by a tooth.

    The computer needs to see that everything is functioning correctly for a little while before
    it clears the codes.

    As you drive it you'll the battery will likely charge up.

    Enjoy your Prius!

     
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    I think it happened while I was putting the timing cover on. It was difficult to keep the timing chain guide out of the way when putting the FIPG on, and I ended up having to come up with a zip tie contraption to do it. Meanwhile the chain has no tension on it without either the guide or the timing cover. I checked it after but I think I didn't understand how to correctly check it. First time! Have only done timing belts in the past. Never a chain.
     
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    I don't understand, would you be able to tell by counting links? The painted links only line up on the camshaft timing marks once every 18 revolutions.
     
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    Those color links are just for the initial set up, to make it easier.
    If you rotate the engine 720 degrees, all 3 timing marks will line up with the marks.
    If they don't, the chain was not installed correctly, or jumped.

    Ones of these is what happened to yours...
     
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    This is what I was referring to, and what I experienced. I didn't count the full nine x2 revs to confirm, but I had to rotate quite a few times before the painted links lined up on the timing marks on the camshafts.

     
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    Yes, I understand that.
    You're not understanding what what I'm refering too.
    Those 3 stand out colors on the timing chain are only there to "AID" you when
    you are instaling the chain.
    After setting the crank to the "0" mark, and setting the intake cam on it's mark,
    and the exhaust cam on it's mark, you use install the chain so all 3 of the stand out
    brighter color links are set on the marks on the sprockets.
    Since the cams are larger than the crank sprocket, for everyone 360 degree turn of the
    crank, the cam sprockets only turn 1/2 a turn. Then another 360 degree turn of the crank,
    the cams have now made a 360 turn. And now the timing marks on the sprockets will (should)
    be back on the marks you set them at BEFORE installing the chain.
    Since the chain long, those 3 different colored link will NOT be on the timing marks like when you
    first installed the chain.
    You will have to rotate the crank a certain number of rotations before those colored links will align
    on the 3 sprockets as they did when you first installed it. And it will have to be an even number
    of rotations. Every odd numeral turn, the #1 pistion will be at TDC for the exhaust stroke. And
    to get the mark to align it must be at TDC for the INTAKE stroke.

     
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    Ok, so I think the misunderstanding is that I don't know of any marks on the engine for the cam sprockets. I was using the timing chain to properly time the cams. Are there marks on the head or timing cover to line up the cam sprockets when the crack is on the tdc mark? I am away from the car for the holidays so I can't go check. Thanks for the explanations.
     
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    Sooooo, you just ramdonly put the cams wherever, and the crank, and put the chain on?
    Watch this video, about the 1:30 mark?


    Check this link: Timing Marks & Chain Clarification | PriusChat

     
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    I put the crank timing mark at TDC and then put the painted links on the marks on the cam sprockets. But since they only get anywhere close to the marks on the cam sprockets once every 18 revolutions of the crank, I had to rotate it a bunch before they lined up.

    Are you saying the cam marks must be straight up when the crank is at 0 degrees/TDC? Because there are no marks for the cams that I know of. The video doesn't seem to say anything about any marks, he just uses the method that I used, with the painted links on the chain to get everything timed correctly.
     
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    You are not reading correctly, you not getting this.
    FORGET ABOUT THOSE STUPID LINKS! THEY MEAN NOTHING!
    How many times you rotate the engine means nothing!
    Twice was the MOST you needed to rotate the engine.

    If the crank is at TDC on the compression stroke, the exhaust and intake cam sprockets
    SHOULD be at the postions when you installed the chain.

    IF the timing marks are not at the correct spot, the timing is off. And you adjust the
    chain on the sproket so it is.
    If those 3 colored marks were NOT on the chain You'd still insall the chain and keep it tight.
    And if done correctly, rotating the crank 720 degrees, twice, all the marks will ligh up.

    You are complicating this way beyond what it is. It is very simple. Think simple.
    And stop stressing about it...

    Didn't you say it ws running correctly now? Go enjoy your Prius!
     
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    I like this timing chain video from saneauto along with the manual. He is pretty clear about the marks. The video seems to be ending about five minutes before it actually does finish.



    What he does not mention is releasing the tensioner by turning the crank counter clockwise a small amount after the cover and tensioner is installed. This pulls the timing chain tight which triggers the tensioner to release the tensioner catch.

    Manual Excerpt (starting at step 9)
     

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    Drive it for two hours today. It drove fine the whole time, with no issues. I left the wiper cowl off so it was kind of noisy. But sounded fine to my ears other than that. But sadly it threw another P0016 camshaft/crankshaft correlation MIL after about an hour of driving. Will take the timing cover off again tomorrow or Monday to see if the chain is on the wrong teeth.
     
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    But it still sounds fine? Maybe wait a bit?

    Sounds exasperating.
     
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    Check the connections. Make sure they are completely connected and the wires
    aren't broken.
    Just take the cam cover off so you can see the timing marks.
    Put the crank at TDC, the zero mark, and check the cams. Do you see the marks on
    the cam? If yes, make sure they are lined up where they should be to the head.

    If you don't see the marks, rotate the crank another time and put it back to zero.
    The cam marks should line up. If they do, you have another problem, it's not the timing chain.



     
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    If the chain is off again I would consider chain stretch and get a new chain and tensioner. Assuming the guides are not broken.
     
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    Great suggestions guys. I drove it for a couple more hours today and it threw the code again about every 20-30 minutes. I got home, double checked the electrical connectors and nothing looks wrong. So I pulled the valve cover off and found this busted O-ring. Doesn't this oil passage control the intake cam phaser? Could it be possible that the phaser is not getting oil pressure to rotate the intake cam correctly?

    Just an inkling... I will check timing later tonight. I have kids and just seem to have limited garage time these days.
     
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