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  1. Mendel Leisk

    Mendel Leisk Senior Member

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    Isopropyl alcohol is reportedly more effective at 70% than full-strength, for that reason.

    Similar to @ChapmanF’s hand soap scent vent: dryer sheets. One of our dog walk routes goes past an apartment complex, often redolent with cloying, fake-floral.
     
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    AFAIK I know all commercial 'floral' scents are made by some plant species somewhere* so they are not technically fake. However they are at oddly high concentrations in some products and can be irritating to people with well functioning olfactory systems.

    Vented clothes dryers really good at volatilizing scents at high temperatures and shooting them into the vicinity of your nose. An unfortunate combo.

    Other than scents, dryer sheets etc. contain quite a library of potentially harmful molecules. So don't click this link:

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/351494142_Toxicities_of_Laundry_Products_-_Review_of_the_Evidence
     
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    I like how Mendel's latest features an actual vent system.

    I was unhappy that my house came to me with too little ventilation. The dryer vent may have been the only real working one.

    The downstairs bathroom has one of those detestable American-made power ventilators, and we discovered that the discharge tube went nowhere. Now it is routed almost outside. We plan to replace the unit itself, read on.

    The kitchen had no ventilation over the range. We put in a powerful blower with a variable voltage controller.

    The upstairs bathroom had no ventilation at all. We put in a premium Japanese-made powered vent. Soft start, acoustically responsible design and great flow. One like it planned for downstairs.
     
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    Ya venting about venting is a venti-vent. Possible Starbucks infringement there.

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    I have lived in several places with too-good ventilation. All fun and games until outside conditions are subzero or hurricanic.
     
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    When we moved into our current place (about 33~34 years back), the upstairs bathroom vent ducts ran through the attic, and "almost" reached the exterior wall vent. That vent had no screen. The ductwork and surrounding area was full of bird guana, a few carcasses, feathers.

    Our's is still thus, has a range hood, but just kicks it back out into the kitchen. I've taken to plunking an exhuast fan in the kitchen window, but seriously thinking to rectify. Maybe...

    Our forced air furnace ductwork was also a mess. Return air ductwork was so compromised most of the air being pumped into living quarters was from the crawl space, pulled in through myriad gaps and oversights. One of the return air entrance grills was basically a louver between the two zones, didn't connect to anything ductlike. On the heated air side, I took apart, cleaned, mastic'd, insulated and taped everything I could get to. In one circuit carpenters had tossed wood scraps down the ducts.

    Good 'ol City of Coquitlam inspections overlooked a few things.
     
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    A venting system for our kitchen range was important to me also - if you are interested I can show you some pictures for our system that goes to the outside and sounds similar to a set up you currently have. Ours was added after discussions with our builder who 'forgot' we had specifically told him we wanted our range vented to the outside.
     
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    Would appreciate that, thanks.

    Our kitchen has sloping, vaulted ceiling, with the range against the taller, interior wall. I think the architecturally optimal method would be to open up that wall sometime, run ductwork all the way up and out roof above. But the pragmatist side of me is thinking to turn the duct horizontally just above the cupboards, run it straight across to the low, exterior wall, above the kitchen cuphoards on that side, and out. It could vent out the wall there, and be just inches below roof overhang, nice and sheltered. On the lee (east) side of the house too.

    How to deal with an exposed metal duct running across the kitchen, about 7'-6" above the floor? At this stage of life I'm tempted to have it thus. Maybe paint it a cheerful colour?
     
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    Perhaps a Panasonic Whisper series?

    If not, I'd be interested in seeing pointers to other good products.
     
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    The house was almost completed when we noticed the contractor had used the indoor ventilation option for the vent fan in the microwave.
    I converted the microwave to outdoor venting (microwave came with a conversion kit) and the contractor did everything else. The microwave has a damper flap on it to prevent backdraft and the outdoor damper also has backdraft protection.

    As you can see from the picture the 8" vent pipe goes into the attic and then takes a 90 degree turn and goes over to the vent in the eaves.
    Maybe this help spur some ideas for you.
    I am figuring out how to get my pictures to load - hopefully soon to follow
     

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    Indeed.

    One of the contract assignments I took in recent years sent me to Japan for a month. Nicest bathroom fixtures and accessories I've ever seen. Whole other levels of quality, and those fans were just one bit of it.

    Eventually we will renovate and install half the toto catalog but we're starting on these excellent low-noise exhaust fans.
     
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    These exhaust vent discussions give new meaning to the phrase "just need to vent"
    dare i say it ....
    it's exhausting

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    I installed one in the master bath two decades ago, it was a major improvement over the original cheapie. Used three more during the Pandemic / forest fire hazardous air episodes to make homebrew MERV13 indoor air filters. Expensive, but super quiet and efficient, enough so to leave running fulltime without the obtrusiveness of other filters I hear, significantly reducing household dust. Now have another to replace the failing fan in the other bathroom, once I get a round tuit.

    Just two basic 1.6 gpf Totos, but they far outperform all the water-wasters either of us had previously lived with. Could probably swallow a full ream of NARA documents in a single flush.
     
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    Home Depot really, really wants me to complete the survey about my satisfaction with the two gallons of windshield washer juice I bought last week.
     
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    ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

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    Tell them it tastes like crap and you had to go the the ER after you finished it.

    They will probably disengage.....
     
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    Even in venting kitchens and baths, some reach to be the best venter, or is it ventilationist?
     
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    Re: Bathroom exhaust vents ...
    Round tuit acquired. Replacement successfully completed. Problem encountered, but now fixed.

    The unexpected snag was that the Honeywell programmable exhaust fan timer did not work with this new Panasonic Whisper fan. It seemed as if the timer's brains depended on having a low-current "off" path through the fan motor. When the circuit breaker was flipped, the timer's display began blinking on and off, and could not turn on the fan. The same timer worked fine with the original cheap noisy AC fan, and same model works with the two-decade-old Panasonic Whisper fan in the other bathroom. A normal light switch was temporarily substituted to make the new fan functional.

    I'm suspecting the old timer needs an AC fan motor, and is incompatible with the (more quiet, more efficient, more expensive, multi-speed) DC motor controller in the new fan. My other Panasonic fan is single-speed and probably AC. The product lines offer both, at different noise & performance levels and price points.

    I have a programmable timer in part to run automatically, low duty cycle, around the clock as part of indoor air quality and moisture control. A search found a different (less featured, more expensive) Panasonic-listed timer meant to work with all its bath fans, including DC models. Ordered, received, installed, it works, everything is good now.

    Other timer brands exist with similar design and specs at lower price. Since this item was outsourced from a different maker, and doesn't actually carry the Panasonic name, it may well come from the same factory as one of those others. I didn't figure the labor and time of trying and potentially having to return a different unit was worth the price difference, so just ordered the one explicitly referenced by Panasonic. It worked on the first try.
     
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    LOL we had a remarkably similar issue. I didn't notice the brand or model of the first timer they sold us, but it was programmable. No display, it just paid attention to the interval between a manual start and stop and then stored that for repeat use. The electrician talked it up, saying how everyone loved them. But they couldn't get it to work, and I suspected exactly what you've written out.

    They came back with a simpler timer with preset 5/10/15/30-minute duration buttons and we haven't looked back, just works.
     
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    Venting about vents. We have come full circle...
     
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    Posted from the pub. Frontier, beloved provider of my landline and internet, has confirmed a date for a tech to repair my service. Next Monday. They said this casually and cheerfully, as if a week of outage weren't anything weird.

    I suppose this is their way of letting me know they don't feel like doing landlines anymore.

    On the bright side, they've been my largest monthly bill for quite some time now ... so this is likely to be resolved a way that improves the bottom line.
     
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    It's a little amazing to me how that works. The last time I had an... "interaction" with my cable internet provider, it involved a disconnection and a written complaint, and in the end they wound up selling me a faster tier of service for 37% less revenue per month. But they are still profiting on somebody out there...

    Lunch any good there?