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DC-DC Convertor Failure

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by zaxbyc, Feb 7, 2024.

  1. zaxbyc

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    Hi Everyone,

    On Friday 2nd Feb 2024, whilst pulling away at a roundabout my 2010 Prius dash lit up stating to Check Hybrid System.

    It has 79k miles on the clock.

    The Car is still drivable at the moment yet struggles to accelerate. The EV system of the car appears to not be working and the traction battery not charging.

    Upon starting the car the engine will immediately come on and no longer turns off.
    Toyota looked at the car on Monday 5th Feb and said that the issue is dc/dc convertor.
    I have watched numerous videos of the inverter part's replacement.

    Toyota has quoted £2103.17 to fix the issue and a local specialist even more at £2331. The specialist gave me a breakdown of 1440 inc VAT for the part - nearly £900 for labour. these numbers don't add up from the procedures I have seen.
    I have already disconnected the traction battery and 12V to see if the car would reset, but the error returns immediately.

    A couple of questions, probably for the more technically minded members:
    • The 12V is fine and is being charged when the car is on- the interior lights brighten when the can is on. So how is it charging if the DC-DC convertor is broken? It is my understanding that part of the inverter/convertor unit is used to convert the 200V+ DC to a usable voltage for the 12V system?
    • How long can I drive the Prius without its EV system (as a regular Petrol Car) - I appreciate this will load the engine more and potentially decrease its life.
    • My father-in-law is super handy with cars and offered to help with the process of replacing it ourselves, since they seem to be around £200 on eBay and the process seems so straightforward. My only concern initially was the coolant, but we are fine with that as well. However, my Invertor/Convertor doesn't appear to have a visible part number.
    • I cannot find any garage at the moment willing to fit a used part - any suggestions in the Lincoln area would be useful.
    Let me know any other advice or issues I'm too naive to know about.
    Thank you to anyone who can lend a hand.
    PS, we would like to keep the car- there are no other issues and have been perfect for the last 4 years of ownership.

    Mike
     
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    I don't know what "£" is? Or where the Lincoln area is.
    Is that in Illinois???

    Toyota has a 20 year warrannty on the inverter now. I don't understand
    why they are trying to charge you for it. If you search PC threads you can find
    the warranty information.

    Since it is not charging the Hybrid battery, it will soon die and it won't start
    the engine any longer.

     
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    • Likely in England?

    Considering we’re in a global village, it’s good to give unambiguous location, not just the name of the local lair. Say city*, state/province and country.

    * and if in some far-flung suburb or small town, substitute the name of the more widely-known, nearby city/town
     
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    There are multiple DC voltages used within the car, so it may be that the one providing 12v is doing okay where another is not. Either way, they're all integrated into the inverter assembly.

    A used part replacement is definitely the way to go, because the overall failure rate is pretty low. That means the scrapyards generally have a bunch of good ones taking up space, which makes for a low price.

    The warranty ASRDogman mentions may or may not exist for your territory, you'd have to read the details of the warranty you were given.
     
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    Yes Sorry, will remember the Location details, forgot that Lincoln could be US as well! I am in the UK.

    When speaking to the dealers they seem incapable of understanding it was a recall notice and they haven't done the work- they seem to keep coming back to me about the warranty on work they have done. :(.

    I'm trying again if I can ever get through,
     
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    Update:

    Just got off the phone with Toyota UK, and they acknowledge that the software update was performed in 2019. However, there is no Warranty, extended or otherwise on the car from that Inverter / Convertor Unit.

    So looks like it is time to go on eBay
     
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    So I have been reading several posts on replacing the inverter and there are several about successfully using G9200-47190 which I believe is the Aurius part- but without the inherent flaw that the original has, instead of G9200-47140 (2009-2015).

    It seems straightforward, fit the part and clear the codes- can anyone vouch for that simplicity or is it not really as straightforward as the posts make it seem?
     
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    Amayama has the older part number (G9200-47140), but not the newer one:

    Buy Genuine Toyota G920047140 (G9200-47140). Prices, fast shipping - Amayama

    FYI I'm seeing $3740 CDN (with shipping (from Japan) to be determined). I would guess $200~300 CDN for shipping. I'm on West Coast of Canada.

    Repair Manual info attached:



    Might be expedient to do an inverter coolant change at the same time. It doesn't take a lot of coolant, in my experience (not including inverter replacement though) 1.5 liters drained. Repair Manual info for that attached:

     
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    Yes, the more details you give, the better answer you can get.
    Perhaps the inverter for you is different from the States.
    You should try to get the latest one you can, because there should be less likelyhood
    of another failure.
     
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    Amazing, thank you for the manual- I was searching for the torque settings for the bolts.

    It won't be a new part - and WOW I thought we got ripped off over here in the UK- Toyota will do the whole thing: parts, labour and taxes for $3,565 Canadian equivalent.

    The Secondhand part and coolant replacement is going to be (hopefully) less than £400 ($680 Canadian)
     
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    There was a software update, to protect inverter during hard/rapid acceleration, in 2014 IIRC. Have you had the car since new, or are able to check, if it’s had this?
     
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    I have had this update- the dealership and Toyota support confirmed it was done in 2019.

    no not since new. We got the car 2.5 years ago with 50k on the clock.
     
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    UPDATE

    Fitted a second-hand part today.
    The total cost was £119 for the Inverter and £45 for the coolant. So about $207 USD in total.
    The most difficult bit was a plastic push-fitting of all things!
    Started at around 10am, and finished at 12:30 with everything back together and ready for a test drive.
    IMG_0812.jpg IMG_0813.jpg

    Went on a 20-mile drive, filled her up the drive back home, and the mileage seems to be back in the range I'm used to! 67.9 MPG - Remember this is UK MPG.

    Thats 56.5 MPG US and 4.2L/100km for the Europeans
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    Thank you everyone for your help :D
     
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    What volume of bottle? That sounds pricey; here a 4 liter bottle is around $22.95 CDN (13.43 pound sterling). That was purchase in October of 2020, might have inflated since.
     
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    It was a 5 litre Bottle. UK can be a bit of a rip off, but that is the price. In retrospect I could have bought a smaller amount, but with 2 priuss? in the family we are now covered!

    I know the total price including the parts isn't comparable because I don't have a new part, I cannot believe that Toyota wanted £800 ($1,008 US) labour, and an independent £1000 ($1,260 US). For what I presume I skilled technician would have been able to complete in an hour.
     
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    That's very frustrating. Professionals charges keep rising, customers stay away, resort to DIY, the pro's business drops, so they raise their prices even more, and resort to deceptive practice at every turn.

    Not just automotive, everything, home appliance repair, for another example.
     
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    Money, in England.
     
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    Did you replace the inverter coolant pump while you had the inverter out?

     
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    No I didn't replace the coolant pump. I looked at the job and concluded that it was a significantly more time consuming than I had time for at the moment, and yes I understand that a coolant pump failure will result in the part breaking again.

    The general consensus seems to be changing it around 100,000 miles so I have 20,000 miles to go before that point. Which is probably 2-4 years depending on how often we use the car.

    Whilst it is an important car, it is also the secondary car, realistically it is needed for 80 miles twice a week and we have access to other cars in the family should this one end up off the road.
     
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    Just been through this myself. Search for my username and read my recent post on this very issue.

    Since I'm based in the UK I had to buy a second hand inverter off ebay. And it sovled the issue.

    Your question about the DC/DC converter not working but able to charge the 12V battery is just down to the fact the DC/DC Converter is not only a Buck converter to drop the 201.6V down to 14V to charge the 12V battery, but also a Boost converter to take the 201.6V up to 600V to drive MG2.

    The IBGTs that feed MG2 bigger voltages is probably blown.
    And as far as I understand, MG1 is what starts the engine and charges the 12V battery from the Traction battery and MG2 drives or assists the engine to drive the car as well as collects regenerative power when braking. After that basic (and hopefully correct) explanation, it gets a bit magical for me.