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Air bubbles in 2012 toyota prius coolant system

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  1. Brian1954

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    What brand engine water pump did you buy and install last year?

    What brand engine water pump and thermostat did you buy and install last week?

    It sounds like the water pump you just installed is not working correctly.
     
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    A lot of the time I just point out what the car's engineers said to do, without trying to second-guess why they said it. They say to do the warmup with the cap on, so that's the way I do it, and I haven't had a problem.

    If I had to guess why, well, with the cap on, the system's normal operating pressure is close to the 108 kPa marked on the cap (in absolute terms, about twice atmospheric pressure). With the cap off, you've only got atmospheric pressure. Any bubbles are half as big with the cap on, may move through the hoses more readily.

    I'm not positive what you did "didn't work"; there may be explanations besides "air bubbles" for why your car overheats.
     
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    Bingo! I think the engine is overheating, which is causing the coolant to boil, and you see "air" pockets being pushed through the hose back to the plastic reservoir.
     
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    If the car overheats while running at high speed or climbing hills and does not overheat at slower speeds, your engine water pump is not working correctly.

    Are you using the scanner to monitor the engine coolant temperature?
     
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    The boiling point of 50/50 glycol is pretty high though, especially under pressure—definitely above the temperature where the [​IMG] light comes on—so this would make the most sense if the bubbles are only seen after that light appears.

    Another source of perpetual bubbles could be exhaust gas coming through a head gasket; those might be seen even before the coolant gets as hot as all that.
     
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    If you don’t lose coolant level when bubbles are coming out, it is unlikely to be entrained air from new fluid introduction. The gas could be combustion. Get a combustion gas tester at the auto supply and check it.

    I have changed my 300,000 v coolant at least ten times and never pulled off anything. I used maintenance mode with the cap off a few times but now just start the engine normally with the cap off and the heat on ‘hi’. Bubbles come out, cap it and go. I then drive it and check.

    Obviously I watch coolant level and oil at least every fillup because of this engine design.

    How hot does it get? Higher than 210f?

    On these cars you do not normally lose fluid in the early stages of hg leaks as they seal quickly. The characteristic rattle is extremely random even on multiple cold starts for weeks. Probably a function of valves closed on shutdown.

    Questions:

    1. How hot does it get while driving?

    2. Do the radiator fans work?
     
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    Yes using scanner to watch temperature, my waterpump is the OEM think Asin and they are normally good up to 250,000 miles from my research, but don't think issue is with Waterpump because when my waterpump failed last year, it heated up really quick, even overheated while idling, I can drive my prius now it takes quite some time for it to overheat
     
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    But one thing I do notice is if I let off gas, pull over, or run at much slower speeds, temperature drops pretty quick, maybe if waterpump is starting to fail it may do this but these waterpumps seem to be pretty good, this thing has 280,000 on it and my last one was original and lasted to approximately 270,000 plus miles
     
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    Yes radiator fans work perfect, it gets up to 220F and higher but only if I run it for a really long time, if I'm on a flat road not going up hills ect., I can go much farther without it overheating that quick. My work is approximately 80 miles away, shit, I could probably make it down there but on way back have to go up Cajon Pass here in So California, so it will definitely Overheat unless I manipulate it like I did last time, it's the plug-in version so I put in electric mode which shut engine off and just ran in electric which allowed me to get up pass
     
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    Ok Chapman, followed those instructions, I squeezed hoses several times like it said, the hottest temp it got up to idling was 194F, I'm letting it cool down now, outside temp I think is in 50's, when they say let it cool down to surrounding temp is that outside temp. Anyways when it cools off I will check and see where coolant level is.
     
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    So I'm finished with those steps, letting it cool down, Highest temp it got up to was 194F, after it cools I will check coolant level
     
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    Sorry didn't think first msg got to you so sent again.
     
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    Are you saying that you purchased a brand new OEM water pump from a Toyota dealership last week, and you installed it and the engine is still overheating?

    Or, are you saying that you replaced the water pump last year with an Aisin pump and replaced the thermostat last week. Where did you buy the Aisin pump from?

    Your problem is definitely with the water pump and not with air bubbles trapped in the cooling system.
     
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    Bought the waterpump last year from toyota dealership, thermastat I replaced last week, it was never overheating until I changed thermastat, and others have said these cars are notorious for air bubbles when changing waterpump and thermostat
     
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    Well you can clearly see air bubbles though
     
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    Normally from what I know when a waterpump fails or it's not spinning at the normal speed, it throws a code like when my last one failed last year
     
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    Also when my waterpump failed last year I didn't see air bubbles.
     
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    Can a failing waterpump cause air bubbles?
     
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    Why did you replace the thermostat last week if you were not having any problems with it?

    Did you buy the thermostat from a Toyota dealership.
     
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    See my post #23 for my response.