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Battery display bounces like a rubber ball!

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Technical Discussion' started by Shelbyn, Dec 27, 2006.

  1. Shelbyn

    Shelbyn New Member

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    history: 05 original owner has 24500 miles normal 50+MPG warm weather lately 48MPG. Never had a problem. TILL NOW!

    I ran my Prius out of gas (Short ver. unresolved fuel gauge issue) 1/2 miles from gas and dealer (talk about luck!). I refueled, (10.47gal.) ICE started on 1 bar. recharged some and went to dealer to have check engine light cleared. Dealer said all they did was clear the check engine light. Only code was I ran out of gas!

    130 Miles later... back at dealer. MPG at 39 and going down! ICE runs all the time. Can't do stealth for more than 100 feet. Battery gauge bounces like a rubber ball, 8 bars to 2 bars. Dealer says the computer does NOT show any problem. They don't know why the battery indicator is jumping around but EVERYTHING IS OK! I have another appointment this Saturday with another eXpert! SOC =64 %, Delta state of charge 87%.

    Any one have any Idea at all??
     
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    you ran down the battery so once you go on a somewhat longer trip above 15 minutes it should eventually go up to half of the battery, but if you keep trying stealth and stuff the battery is gonna stay low, i always drive my car with the intention of getting up to speed as fast as you can, then maintaining the speed with light to moderate throttle, by doing this you are preserving most of hte power in the HV battery, and charging too.

    dont try to keep it in stealth, you arent improving gas mileage that much ( assuming your accelerating to lets say 25 mph dont try to keep it in stealth, use about half throttle to get up to speed )
     
  3. efusco

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    Those are symptoms consistant with impending traction battery failure. Very few cases, but it would be my concern. I can't say for certain that an inverter issue couldn't also do the same thing or even something with the HV ECU.

    It needs a Prius doctor.
     
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    Hi Shelby,


    This is a complete guess. Based on the age of the vehicle, and what happened, the 12 V auxiliary battery might be going/gone. Running the car out of gas, and down on the hybrid battery, would stress the 12 V battery too. While a 12 V battery will last like any other 12 V car battery (4 or 5 years) discharging it completely, or nearly so, will dramatically shorten its life. At 24.5K miles, the 12 V battery is half used up, and the complete discharge might have done damage. Or, it could be loose 12 V connections. I would go ahead and have the 12 V battery attachments and the 12 V battery checked now.

    As the service people if they had to detach the 12 V battery as part of the reinitiallisation.
     
  5. Shelbyn

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    I should have given more detail on the speed at whitch the battery indicator changes. It will go from 8 bars to 2 bars in say 1 miles or less! Driving the same places I did before the change occured and nothing like this ever happened. I don't think I ran the battery to low because it still had 1 bar and it did start the ICE. If I sit in park with the battery at full 8 (which was a rare occurance before) in 2.5 min it will be down to 6. This is with NOTHING on at all not even the radio. It makes these wild swings all the time now. Dealer sayed the Delta SOC was an indication of the health of the Hybrid battery and that 87% was good for a car with 24K mikes.
     
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    I had the rapidly fluctuating battery level and constant charging cycle issue, but it also came with a Light Show.

    They wound up replacing the HV Battery and also did a TSB that relates specifically to the fluctuating battery display.

    I talked about it here: http://priuschat.com/index.php?showtopic=16388&hl=
     
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    did you happen to run the car in electric mode without gas for any extended period of time?
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(galaxee @ Dec 28 2006, 02:20 PM) [snapback]367723[/snapback]</div>
    No only about 1/2 mile still had 1 bar left. ICE started OK and recharged. I read the post Trouble Codes. It sounds pretty scarry. I can't see how a 1/2 mile trek on flat ground at low speed could damage the battery.
    I did call national support and they are going to have a senior rep call me possably before my Saturday appointment with the dealer.
    I am pleased with the responce I recieved from Toyota national support. They do sound conserned and want to get this fixed.
    I will let you know what happens.

    Thanks for the help. :huh:
     
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    The plot thickens!!! :eek:
    National service called me. They suggested a TSB EG047-04 and told me something about the ECU being able to make the gas pump shut off early by closing some valve. This could account for the fuel gauge issues. They seemed to be pretty good, but no solid answer. They were going to suggest reprogramming the ECU and Hybrid controller. They had called the dealer and would call them back before I go on Saturday.
    Well I went to the dealer. We took a drive and the service tech is very good. He did agree that there is something wrong with the way it acts and the battery SOC meter. He said he had NEVER seen 8 bars on the display. We went from 2 to 8 bars several times just driving around the Mall parking lot. He spent probably 2 hours doing research and checking everything he could think of in the cars computer. Wrote a page of notes and called a national Prius instructor that he knew. ( National service will not be back until Wednesday) They are stumped!?! My service guy will be making more calls next week (he said he will call me no later than Thursday) to people in engineering. He did find 3 communication errors that didn't make sense. My system has the newest software and revs. The battery is in grate shape. The computer is no help!! I guess this will be one for the school books!
    I will keep you posted..
     
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    I predict new HV ECU and new HV Battery.....
     
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    Shelby,
    We never like to hear that a Prius is malfunctioning like this. But it's great that the people involved seem honestly interested in getting it taken care of.

    Thanks for the updates.
     
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    good luck shelby.... keep us posted with as much details as you can
     
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    let us know how it works out. sounds like you've got a good tech on the case, so keep your hopes up.

    there are some comm errors that are common that don't seem to make a lot of sense. could you get more details?

    diag tech hubby will be interested to see how this works out.
     
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    My next appointment with the dealer is on Jan 10. They have talked with engineering and will need my car for at least a full day. They want to do tests from a cold start on.
     
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    well, DH looked up the delta SOC and with the ready lamp on, no electrical load and engine stopped the reference is 0-60%. so that's funky. points in the direction of the battery ECU.

    did they check the block voltages and internal resistance? it's all in the datalist you can bring up on the scantool.

    they can reset all ECUs by disconnecting the 12v for 5 min or so.
     
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    I took my car in on the 9th and picked up my loaner car. I got it back on the 11th. What I was told by the local tech was they replaced the "high voltage battery computer IN the battery"? I didn't know there was a computer in the battery! Anyway the national service lady called and talked to my wife and she said they replaced the ECU. She said they normally repair them but they wanted to see what went wrong. I think what she meant was they could reprogram it but they replaced it. It works great again! I have only part numbers on the service ticket no meaningfully part names. If anybody is interested I can post the part numbers for you. The national service lady said she wold call me back on Tuesday. I will ask her more specific question when she calls and let you know.
    Thanks for your input. :)
     
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    yep, that's the battery computer. glad it works now :)
     
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    Shelby,
    I'm glad that you're back in business and back to normal. Thanks for all the posting, the updating, and the great details.
     
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    That makes perfect sense...glad it was so simple.