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Head gasket vs engine, a few questions

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Technical Discussion' started by IndianaJim, Apr 17, 2024.

  1. IndianaJim

    IndianaJim Junior Member

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    Hi all.
    I have a few questions after searching the subject for a few days.

    we have a 2012 with 238,000 on it.
    It’s been using a small bit of coolant (like a few ounces) the last few oil changes, but last week I got a cylinder 2 misfire code. Thinking it was just that, I replaced plugs and coils, as the coils were original, and #2 seemed to have an arc mark on the boot.
    A few days later the code came back, and the coolant is down again, which now leads me to believe head gasket failure.

    I was originally going to just do an engine swap, but getting a good one isn’t what one might call cheap, though my local yard has a Gen 3 with 139,000 for $2400. I won’t go the Gen 4 route.

    Then I got to thinking about the head gasket/oil usage of a replacement, and got to thinking head might be the best route. it would certainly be cheaper, even if I got a reman head.
    The current engine uses between 1/4 and 1/2 quart fairly consistently between oil changes which are 6-7000 miles with Mobil 1 0w20 AFE, so certainly not excessive and quite a bit less than what seems “normal” here.

    I have concerns about possible engine damage from the leak in the form of a bent rod though.

    FINALLY the questions!
    I think I should be able to tell a bent rod by a compression test, but would like confirmation.
    If I have a bent rod, all of this doesn’t matter much.

    Assuming I can do just the head, is it best to have it gone through (or even get a rebuilt head) or just checked over?
    if rebuilt, is there a known good place to get one ready to go that you all recommend?

    If engine, some mention doing the head gasket as a preemptive procedure. Is it worth it?
    we need the car about one more year, but would like to get two, which means about 60,000 more miles.

    no matter what, I plan to replace the water pump and probably the egr cooler too, or at least clean it, but I believe Toyota did that when we had the intake replaced due to buildup (their diagnosis and fix, and they mentioned egr).

    Anything else I’m missing about this?
     
  2. Tombukt2

    Tombukt2 Senior Member

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    I think you can buy the reciprocating mass for this engine ready to go for like $1,300 somewhere in there then bolt your girdle your pan your timing cover I've seen remanned heads actually in the $400 range I'm not sure if that's with cams or not your cam should suffice. Then of course that assembly is balanced and all of that business ready to go check your cam phaser and get your timing all set up and you should be good to go.
     
  3. IndianaJim

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    I don’t think I’d do a short block. If I were that far into disassembly, I’d just rebuild it myself at that point.
    I’m going more for speed of repair, or rather minimum downtime, vs longevity.
    Right now I’m going to do the compression test, and go from there I guess.
     
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    IF you caught it early enough, you shouldn't have a problem with the
    head or rods. You can measure the piston heighth with the spark plugs removed.
    When you have the head off, lay the head on a clean dry rag, then spray some wd40
    into each intake and exhaust port and wait about 5 minutes. Then carefully lift the head
    and check for leaking valves. If all are dry, don't mess with it. If you see the wd40 leaking through,
    then you need to seat the valve in with valve grinding compound. Since you're going to
    replace the valve guide seals anyway, you might want to do it anyway. And clean any
    carbon off the valves also.

    Clean the piston tops off while you're at it. The engine doesn't seem to be burning any oil
    so the block should be in good shape.

    You can clean the egr cooler with oven cleaner and a pressure washer and clean out the
    ports for the intake with a .22 cal. bore brush and gunk and a drill.

    I have 34,000 miles on my new head gasket.


     
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  5. IndianaJim

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    Just finished measuring the piston height with my custom made tool, lol.
    All looks great on that end.
    The “tool” is an M12 x 1.25 (spark plug thread) to 1/4 npt fitting, a 1/4” female to female, a 6” piece of 1/4” pipe, another female to female, and a 1/4” air hose fitting. This will allow a 3/16” diameter rod to slide fairly easily through it, and gives a nice edge to measure from to the top of the rod. Obviously this could be modified to one’s liking.

    I’m now debating replacing the timing components while I’m there, as the stretch test seems a bit harder to measure, though I suppose I could attempt the measurements with it in place before removing.
    If I replace them, should I go with OEM Toyota or something good aftermarket (if such a thing exists)?
     
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    You have to take the chain off anyway. Getting it back on properly if the usual problem since you can’t tension it until the cover is back on.

    Prius gen 3 timing chain max length.jpeg
     
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