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2007 AC Recharge

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by 24gzerancr, Apr 30, 2024.

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    Earlier today, I hooked up my ac lines to a gauge and the high and low pressure were low. I was planning to recharge the system myself but after doing some more research I am a bit worried I might make more problems. I want to note that the gauge and hoses I used to test the system were previously used with traditional refrigerants with incompatible oils. I was not aware that this contaminated the lines until after I did the test. I was able to find a pure r134a refrigerant can with no added oils, as well as generic r134a cans labeled as hybrid compatible. Will either of these work to recharge my system? Also, would I need to purchase a new, clean set of hoses to recharge the system, or could I get by just using the same equipment I used beforehand?
     
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    You must understand when you're looking at your system with the car off there's no high and low side The gauges should read the same about 90 lb maybe close to a hundred but the high and low side does not exist until the compressor kicks in and gas starts moving then the high and low sides are created maybe just use the low side of the system that's where you want to work You can only inject your gas on the low side as a regular non-mechanic It's dangerous to charge on the high side don't mess with that generally speaking
     
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    I did have the engine and ac running when I tested the high and low sides. My main concern is the possible contamination from using a gauge that previously had a conductive oil running through it. Do you think that this is a major cause for concern at this point?
     
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    Not at this point.

    Since the refrigerant and oil covers the compressor’s hv motor windings you want non-conductive hybrid oil.

    You do not want to use any oil when doing a top off. Best practice and coldest air is after a vacuum followed by weighing in the refrigerant.
     
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    Motor windings have baked-on insulation (or they'd be immediate short circuits right from the factory, and never work!), so I'm not sure the conductivity of the oil is the property that really matters, at least at first. You can touch an insulated wire with conductive stuff and nothing happens, as long as the insulation is intact.

    Now, if the oil is chemically constituted in such a way that it starts to change the integrity of the baked-on insulation....
     
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    Non conductive is the way to go
     
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    Your gauge is being used with other oils and fluids will make no difference when connected to the Prius The minimal amount of stuff left on the inside of the hoses and whatnot is not worth your worry I promise My gauges are used with several different kinds of gas they're indicated on the gauge but gases they get used with and so there's always that I don't mix any oils I put what goes in the given unit in there but then the gauge is may be used an hour later for a different gas and a different oil what's left lining the hoses is pretty much nothing that's why they hang straight up and down and anything that can be in
     
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    The reality is most refrigeration, residential ac or heat pump compressors that fail in less than twenty years are caused by contamination during install (poor brazing technique) and moisture, oils or mixed refrigerant types during leak top offs in residential and automotive. All of these are time bombs that occur years after poor practices are employed.
     
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    And probably even more important, non-attacking of the (already nonconductive) wire insulation.
     
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    Would any sort of hybrid marketed refrigerant be usable in this sense? I can not find any available with the recommended nd11 oil in it, but I was able to find a pure r134a with no added oils. To me it makes sense to use the no oil rather than risking putting the wrong oil in since there is still some amount of refrigerant, and therefore oil, left inside the system.
     
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    Generally use 134a with no oil You could get 134a with dye but not oil but I may be hard to find usually you just inject your own dye if this is a thing. And nd 11 oil you can buy at auto parts stores. If you can't find it you can always go to Toyota or online other things have electric air conditioning compressors maybe not made exactly like the Toyota's but nonetheless.