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Brakes 'falter/hestitate' when approaching standstill

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by gen2tone, May 15, 2024.

  1. gen2tone

    gen2tone Junior Member

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    Status: 130K (miles) on my 2008 Gen 2. Front offside wheel bearing I suspect is a little noisy but not too bad ATM. Front disks well pitted and not breaking evenly (again!). Steady braking in 'N' mode gives you a slight flutter feedback through the peddle as the pads grip better/worse on the rotating disks. Both items due for replacement - although it's getting to the point where it's probably time to sell and replace my old friend!

    Question: I've owned the car for 115K miles and know how it behaves and what is (was) normal . . . In the last week or so, while braking approaching (say) a junction and coming to a standstill, or pulling over to park the car . . . during the last 10-15 feet or so before halting - probably as the speed falls below the magic 5-7 MPH when regain stops and hydro starts - the brakes seem to release slightly then grab again.

    Feels like (perhaps) during the transition from regen to hydro systems, the handoff is no longer smooth and the braking momentarily stops. It's only happening in maybe 1 in 3 braking stops but becoming more frequent and noticeable. Very occasionally the vehicle stability light flickers - in the way that these Gen 2's often do as you perhaps drive over an uneven road surface. So it's also like the stability/ABS system kicks in briefly at these very low speeds, even on smoother roads.

    I was wondering whether it's related to the rusty disks but it only happens at this very specific low speed and never features during normal speed braking in D or braking with the xmsn in N.

    Any thoughts ideas pls?

    It's got to the point where with disks and a bearing to replace already, if there is another significant issue to fix then it's time to let the Prius go. Too many problems on the car.
     
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    Try bleeding the brakes maybe it's never been done If not scan your car carefully and look at the freeze frame data when you're breaking I don't think there's any real hand off from regen to hydraulic It's kind of all working at the same time when the pedal gets to a certain point some people break so lightly they never ever use the hydraulics in these vehicles It can be done.
     
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    Does your brake actuator cycle frequently? If so, your symptoms are not uncommon for when an actuator is failing.
     
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    My first guess is that you have "rust jacking" of the front wheel speed sensors. Corrosion forms under the sensor mounting flange and over time pushes the sensor body slightly away from the axle tone ring.

    This extra gap causes the speed signal for that wheel to be some weaker than normal, so the ecu sees the speed (falsely) "drop out" as you come to a stop. It then activates the ABS as a response.

    Carefully remove the front sensors (don't snap the 6mm bolts off!). Then clean all the corrosion from the steering knuckle where the sensor mounts.

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    This is very interesting to know. One more thing to check and stay ahead of when doing brakes!
     
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    Check the discs for run out too. If they are out of spec, it will add weight to getting the discs replaced along with the pads.
     
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    Brilliant. Many thanks Mr GM. That sounds like what I'm suspecting, given its age and the amount of rust down there generally and on the discs. I also read recently that (also) loose rust can be attracted to the sensor head and cause similar issues. UK winter weather and salt plays havoc with our cars. ;-( But if that IS the explanation then at least it's more comforting than a possible braking system issue which might cause failure.
     
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    Every time I pull the sensors out of the front hubs they're always covered with little whiskers of iron or whatever they're like magnetic and I mean the thing is just covered it's unbelievable I spray it off with the brake clean or whatever wipe off the end of the sensor with the shop towel make sure it's all clean and spray off the tone ring blow it off with the air hose towards the ground put the sensor back in but every time I have a front wheel off a night take a look because it only takes a second they're just coated with well little pieces of metal iron whatever no matter what I do.
     
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    Are the dust covers still present?
     
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    Funny you should ask that. One car the dust covers this is for the front now The dust covers and shields are in place. On the other car when I replace the front hubs I did not put the backing plates back on that go behind the rotor and onto the face of the strut or whatever face of the hub I'm sorry. And both cars look about the same it's lots of little what would look like tin whiskers in an audio device. But heavier slightly and more iron looking is all I can say and I just blow it off with electrical contact cleaner not overly saturating any of the business and then blow it off with my shop air which is turned down generally and that's that But it doesn't seem to make any difference in the way the brakes operate to be honest about it but I always find this mess on the end of the sensor seemingly regardless of when I check it If I cleaned it yesterday and went out and looked at it tomorrow they'll be some build up on it already. And the tone ring looks fine It seems to be self cleaning by wind water and whatever car movement.