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Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by ALCRO, Sep 3, 2023.

  1. ALCRO

    ALCRO Junior Member

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    Im in proces of repairing my ABS assembly by changing brushes and bearings in ABS motor.
    I get code C1252 and C1256.
    I did film a bit, mostly its for laughing because its my first time filming and dismantling that kind of stuff. Anyhow, it has that white rust from aluminum, i did soak it with contact spray overnight and ill hope it will go better today then last evening.
    Ill keep you informed. Just so noone else does not brake stuff i brake .

    If this works i guess it will cost around 10-20€, depending on the bearing cost.

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    So you're saying your pump motor was out The thing next to the accumulator yeah I have several of those apart here but none of them had motor problems they all ran fine ran all the time actually because of? Internal leak through a valve accumulator leakage? Who knows I can't open up the block to get inside of it to see the valves or what all goes on in there I have several here laying about in different stages of disassembly here the customers just opt for a new unit around $1,480 if ordered online and picked up. There was a fell on eBay that claimed he could rebuild these and had a pretty nice shop pictured online I bought two units from him and he vanished but two units works very well I was looking to buy more of course no such luck takeoffs from the Asian market used to be available through the JDM importers seems they've stopped doing that too kind of leaves one holding the bag.
     
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    Good luck with that.

    Worn pump motor can certainly cause those codes. However the motor usually gets worn because a leak in the actuator causes the pump to run too often for too long.

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  4. ALCRO

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    Mine didnt run at all only when i get to some bump on the road or i hit it gently with extension. I watch data loger and accumulator pressure sensor. I see the signal is sent to turn the motor but nothing is happening.
    I dissasamble it half hour ago.
    And all 3 brushes were bad. And worn out.
    I know its easy to buy new one, and put it on car and drive but im a mechanic and i want to fix it.

    Ofcourse if fixing it cost more than new used one then answer is no but to change brushes and bearing, clean a bit,glue magnets that are fall off and held only buy magnetism. I think its worth the try. I spend little less than 2 hours to get it out, and i try to get it out without getting ABS assembly out, now i know it cant be done speciali because its corded and its going out the hard way.

    Ill keep you informed. I hope ill get parts tomarrow and try to put it all togather. At the end ill make a video out of it.
    From the first try i almost crash it from a table to the part i fix it or i dont. :ROFLMAO:
     

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    I know but if i dont brake pressure dont fall. So i think for now accumulator dont leak.
     
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    Well many actuators in the generation 2 throughout the world and been replaced usually because the motor is running excessively because it is believed there is a pressure system problem so the pump runs to maintain the pressure it needs to see it it sensors or computers It doesn't maintain that so the pump keeps running to try and manufacture that pressure that keeps escaping so there's always that I guess in some rare form what you have here could happen but certainly is not anywhere near the norm it doesn't seem like so if you're motor just burn up because of no brushes and everything else is okay then you should be good to go till you develop the leak that makes the motor run all the time brushes or not of course the motor won't run with no brushes obviously.
     
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    When i try continuity test i was no beeping. So no contact from two input wires i gently hit it with small hamer and it starts to beep.
    I think i can loose few euros on trying. If it goes ok fine if not we all learn something today.
     
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    Brush-commutated motors can wear out. Even if it isn't the most common failure mode, that doesn't mean it can't be what happened to somebody.

    If the motor just doesn't draw power or turn, but will if banged on, that does sound like a brush issue.
     
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    Thats what i was pointing at. In few post before i upload picturesof my brushes. They are literaly at the end and they cant go more out then they are now. And collector on rotor was black so that means bad contact. I clean it and its cooper colour now so i guess it will be ok for another 100000km or less but i just wanna prove as a mechanic that mostly everything can be fixed.
    If that affordable its different story.

    Ofcourse im having problem finding right brushes but i today wasnt enough time for me to visit one more store. Tomarrow i hope ill get tham so i can start repairing.
    I did find bearings so that will be next for tomarrow at work to be done.
     
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    Happens fairly often on blowers, starters, door lock actuators, etc.

    Not surprised that it's happened here. I am just doubtful that it is the only problem. If I am wrong, then so be it.

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    As far as holding pressure it was ok, untill i dismantle it. We will see if its gonna be ok when i put it back togather. I hope today evening ill get brushes. And try to put it all togather.
    Ill keep sanding pictures.
     
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    I have personally rebuilt 1000+ convertible top electric motor/pump assemblies. Some have very, very similar motors/brush assemblies as what you show in your hand. If you have a salvage yard with any convertibles, it may be a source for you. It's pretty rare that you can find an off the shelf brush that is an exact match. I've been able to remove the accumulator from the actuator, but never tried pulling the motor off. I've never seen a motor fail, but have experienced hundreds failing on convertible motors, so everything you've posted makes total sense for your symptoms. These motors should be pretty darn cheap to acquire, since most failed actuators still have good motors. I even keep all the bad actuators I've removed, just to have spare parts if needed.
     
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    Some guy did make tham. I get tham today but i end up on a bum like always. I had to glue something. So my project continues for tomarrow what was planed for today.
    Metal bracket that holds the brush spring broke off because other two didnt. So i use zip tie to hold everything in place and i use Liquid metal to fix the spring metal holder.
    Since im so mad i cant tell because i fail on amater stuff ill take better pictures tomarrow and upload. Length of the brushes i use and some other details. And i hope liquid metal will hold the spring in place.
     
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    If the magnets were broken loose, you need to clean all the old adhesive off the back of the magnet and the metal case. Use a very thin layer of epoxy on the magnet. Make sure you have spacers to correctly position the magnets. I also use a 'tailpipe expander' tool to maintain pressure on the magnets while the epoxy is curing. There is typically a pretty tight gap between the rotor and the magnets, so any abnormal layer of adhesive may cause the rotor to rub on the magnets.
     
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    I did clean with battery tools and brush. And yeah magnet did rub on rotor at few places where the rust was build up so i sand it off and it was all good. Today ill bleed the brakes and try to start to see if it will be better or worse tham it was before i fix it.

    Cost:
    brushes 4 € per 1. There is 2 kind, 2 bigger and one smaller. I get 4 bigger and 2 smaller just in case i mess something up.
    Bearing both, small and bigger 11€.
    Total: 35€

    Labor i dont pay,did it myself, brake fluid i have at home, liquid metal also.

    Will see if was worth the time.
     
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    Looks pretty good. Hope you kept the magnets in the same positions as they were before. If they were flipped then the north and south magnetic poles would be reversed (and that causes problems as I have found out).

    Hope it works out!

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    I know about the magnets. I did brake bleed it sux but i did it. Code cleared. No high pitch sound a d lights are all off.
    Going to assemble plastics, put everything togather and puting kinds to sleep and go for a spin after.

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    Just to let you all know, motor that i repair works for the last 20000 km and going.
    For ones that said its a accumulator problem, probably it is, but for now i dont mind because i paid 35€ for repairing parts and 40€ for techstream.

    So anyone else who need to replace maybe can first try to repair motor before buying used one ,ofc you have to have soldering and a little mechanical skill to do it. Probably used one could be like yours in few days, months.
     
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    My point is why hasn't the aftermarket picked up these things they do it for almost every other one on the market even the expensive BMWs and Lamborghinis and what have you they rebuild those Bosch and other branded actuators and all that stuff I do business with remanufacturers of some of that stuff they just don't do these they do them for like 16 Corollas and up the ones that mount on the fender well that are only like 180 bucks rebuilt ready to go Don't have to take any of the car apart to change it hardly.? It's just kind of strange how that is I was just over at the place the other day and saw a BMW or some European car unit ABS actuator out of the car it looked almost identical to the generation too same kind of accumulator same round pump different large plug almost orientated the same way and everything not uncanny but close to it and I'm thinking to myself this is just like pure retarded I mean I guess the $1,400 price isn't enough to make a lot of people balk I guess.