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What is your Opinions on new AI Technology

Discussion in 'Fred's House of Pancakes' started by John321, Jun 26, 2024 at 11:51 AM.

  1. Mr.Vanvandenburg

    Mr.Vanvandenburg Senior Member

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    It seems to me there is no intelligence, maybe like a hand held calculator having calculating abilities seems like intelligence? Artificial something.
     
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    How we learn about Ai has an effect on how we think of it.
    When listening to any of the Pioneers, there is a strangely similar dialog.
     
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    The term artificial "intelligence" strikes me as being premature. We have come up with several systems that can make mostly correct decisions in a limited domain. They can do one thing when commanded, but they do it blindly, with all the intelligence and awareness of a bowling ball.

    Part of the problem is that we are trying to copy over-complicated high level programs when we don't particularly understand what they are or how they work. We should be trying to map out and copy something like the brain of an earthworm - something with only a few hundred neurons, not millions. When we get to the point where we can do that well, we start looking for something with perhaps a thousand neurons, work our way up.

    The tools we currently have are promising but not worthy of the word "intelligence".
     
  4. ChapmanF

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    Tools like ChatGPT can write, or so it seems for now, text that pretty much succeeds at hitting a certain style, but can be spotted easily enough by a human who reads it carefully and looks for semantic sense and soundness of argument.

    So it doesn't hold up to what a well-educated adult human can write.

    On the other hand, look how long and how much work it takes for a new human to reach that condition.
     
  5. Leadfoot J. McCoalroller

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    "Humanity has been using spark plugs for over 100 years now."

    But that might be the first time a human ever typed that sentence. (And that's far from the worst on that page, yikes! How did you find this?)

    It's just one more tweak of a reading skill, I guess. We sometimes noticed odd phrases in books or magazines that were originally written in human languages other than the one printed in our own copies.

    Then we saw and came to recognize the patterns of automatically-translated webpages, and occasionally stores like this one:

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    Now it's a bit more subtle with the machine writing and singing and all. But I'd bet my sixth finger that we'll be able to catch these things out for a while yet.
     
  6. vvillovv

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    All of us are on our own journeys into the future on our own paths and in our own environments, while sharing many of the fundamental similarities that make us humans.
    Still,
    there are so many things within,
    within our bodies and minds that we don't have the slightest clue about.
    Same for so many things happening without or outside each of us.
    They call that stuff, life or the human condition(s).

    Or,
    there's stuff happening around us, within us and through us 24/7/365 we can't detect or understand, even today, and possibly never will be capable of understanding. Oh well ! Ever wonder what some of those things might be?

    Here are a few more acronyms for those who are on their own paths of learning what AI is and it's history.
    large language models LLM artificial general intelligence AGI

    I don't have a clue how to produce a LLM or even what an AGI might look like, both a good one and a bad one.

    I have access to the tools to build one, but mine would be slow and probably a bad one, besides I have my hands full digging through 250,000 lines of html from a 450 mile Hybrid Assistant Reporter Trip I recorded a month ago. Which console and GUI tools to use to break it up into shareable chunks.
    ( Damn the scatter graph has got to have somewhere in the realm of 50,000 lines by itself, it's the biggest ).

    I don't want to post a youtube link here to any specific video that I've consumed regarding AI, but I will share this much.
    Mustafa Seleyman !yt by way of duckduckgo.com / ( ddg.gg ) if your browser supports it.

    You can find other youtubes and other research personnel that might fit your personality better while looking at the results from a single search pattern.
     
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    As hilariously bad as so much of that "article" is, there are also some pretty impressive things about it.

    Out of all the terabytes of internet data some LLM had hoovered up, it included "induction coil" as a related topic, and included the figure of 20,000 to 25,000 volts, which is about right.

    It mangled the description of the four-stroke cycle, but it clearly did pick out sources of that description and deem them relevant, and synthesized a (goofy) description out of what it found.

    While it didn't do a great job, it might be interesting to talk to some middle-school teachers about assignments where they ask to review a bunch of information sources, pick out what's relevant, and synthesize something from it, and how many of their students do as well.
     
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