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Afghanistan II in Ukraine

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    The Russians, the former Soviet Union, went into Afghanistan:

    During the war, about 15,000 Soviet soldiers had been killed and about 35,000 wounded. About two million Afghan civilians had been killed. The mujahideen were supported by many countries such as Pakistan, the United States, and Saudi Arabia.

    Russian casualties in Ukraine are credibly reported to be ~500,000. Putin will fight until the last ship, tank, plane, and Ivan. He demonstrates how Putin-like dictators make such disastrous decisions for their countries and sheeple.

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    ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

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    Nope.
    Ukraine I



    Start at 13:30...(unless you want to be triggered by domestic intel)

    Bit of a difference this time around with the Ukies.
    When Russia invaded Afghanistan, the Afghans didn't strike back very effectively.
    Ukraine has.
    Also....
    We field-tested our FIM-92 'Stingers' with the Muj, but we're giving the Ukies much MUCH more .....er...direct support. (wink-wink!)
     
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    The former Soviet Union had for better or worse, a Politburo, a kind of semi-independent cabinet. Putin has no such cabinet that we know of and/or the dissenters keep fallout out of windows. In Trump's case, he just fires them but lately threatens executions . . . honest to God killings.

    A funny thing happens when threatened with death . . . might as well die fighting (i.e., Israel.)

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    Oh, the horror.
    I guess if the Dems are dull witted enough to think that Biden is sharp and capable, then they might also think that Trump will keep his word about honest-to-God killings.
     
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    to take Trump at his word. Do the Trump supporters?

    First they came for the Communists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Communist

    Then they came for the Socialists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Socialist

    Then they came for the trade unionists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a trade unionist

    Then they came for the Jews
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Jew

    Then they came for me
    And there was no one left
    To speak out for me


    - PASTOR MARTIN NIEMÖLLER​

    BTW, we elected polio survivor FDR four times and he died in office:
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    Bob Wilson
     
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    At this point in time, politics aside, there's a substantial difference between polio and mid-to-late stage dementia and sundowning syndrome. A president who is only functional from 10am to 4 pm is not the answer.
     
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    Martin Niemoller was a successful U-boat commander in WWI.

    Oberleutnant zur See Martin Niemöller - German and Austrian U-boats of World War One - Kaiserliche Marine - uboat.net
     
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    3 ships for 9,000 tonnes?
    His country lost the war?
    THEN they lost it again?

    meh.
    I'd say he was a middling sub skipper, but at least he brought his boat back and (presumptively) all of her crew.
    He DID only have one war patrol as a sub skipper and the WW1 and those boats didn't have reloads the their tubes so I guess he did what he could.
    I give him FULL and GENEROUS credit for being arrested and tried for “activities against the state” during the buildup for Dubbaya Dubbaya Too.
    It's a harsh toke when your country unleashes the full might of its judicial branch against you 'eh?
     
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    Concur!!!
    But that's because the Brits were uncharacteristically STUPID after U9 torpedoed the first cruiser HMS Aboukir .
    The second cruiser stopped to help out and ate two fish for her stupidity.
    This caused U9 to lose depth control and broach in front of the third cruiser, Cressy - who failed to successfully shoot or ram her attacker.....AND her watertight doors were left open while she stopped fighting the U-boat to rescue the crews of the first two cruisers.

    She too was sunk!

    Fun Fact I: In 1954 the British government sold the salvage rights to all three ships to a German company and they were subsequently sold again to a Dutch salvage company which began salvaging the wrecks' metal in 2011 - the metal from the ships being free from background radiation from all the the atmospheric tests following the second world war.
    One presumes that sentimentalities are DIFFERENT when it comes to SOME naval salvage efforts and 'war graves.'

    Fun Fact II: The Sullivans. Five brothers lost on one ship, torpedoed (again) during the Naval Battle for Guadalcanal in 'Torpedo Junction' while limping away with a hole in her side.
    Two other wounded cruisers that were with her 'skedaddled' after Juno blew up incurring no small amount of criticism, HOWEVER (comma!!) it was the right call under the circumstances.
    The two surviving cruiser skippers were exonerated for leaving the scene BECUASE of the hard lessons learned in a former and in another ocean - when the Germans made a 'clean sweep.'

    THAT in part is why EVERY US Submarine always has at least one broom aboard that doesn't get used to sweep floors. ;)

    [​IMG]

    USS Wahoo.
    SS-238 soon to be SSN-806 owing to a BRIEF time when my beloved Navy was capably led after 2008.
    Can't wait to see the patch.... :unsure:
     
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    Speaking of "The Big Lie....."

    Biden (who was alive when that picture was taken!) wouldn't make for a pimple on FDR's backside.

    The thing about debates?
    Most undecided voters dip their toe in during the first 30 minutes. ;)


    Science and data.....