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Head gasket likely, advice/confirmation?

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Main Forum' started by Dagoba, Jul 13, 2024 at 12:37 PM.

  1. Dagoba

    Dagoba Junior Member

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    2011 with just over 200k miles, did an EGR cleaning at 180k miles, which is roughly when we took ownership of car.

    My girlfriend was about to take the car 1000 miles away the other day, and on the day before her trip we went to do a short drive in town and the car had a rough start, shaking. I shut it down immediately and checked the coolant, was right where it should be so I started it again and it shook for a second and smoothed out. I was worried it was water atop the pistons burning off, but with no coolant loss I thought maybe it was something else. Started the next morning with no shaking, so figured it was something one-off. Also have heard about rough starts if the car is shut down after the engine being run for just a few seconds, but I thought that was only in cold months?

    Anywho fast forward, she’s about 600 miles away now and calls and says that the coolant light came on, and that it was low, like to the bottom of the tank. ^$&#. I started preparing to rent a tow dolly and go get the thing, she was caravanning luckily with a couple of friends, and could get a ride with them. Before that though wanted to confirm that it was the HG, so I had them buy one of the combustion gas tester kits, which came back negative for combustion gases in the coolant. So I had them buy some Bars stop leak, and do the procedure. That did seem to do the trick, after the first running cycle it lost only a little, and then stayed at the top ofter that for the next 400 miles. Crisis averted (or rather pushed down the road).

    So with the rough start that morning, coolant loss, and the fact that it was fine after the stop leak I’m fairly certain it’s the HG. The negative combustion gas result is mostly what has me wavering. There were no external coolant leaks either. I suppose the only option that I can think of was that there was a leak at the water pump (only thinking about this now) and it was temporarily fixed by the stop leak. The Bars that we used I believe has both solids, and the silicate product that reacts with heat to seal a combustion leak. They said that there was a little bit of water under the car but it was hot and she was using a/c, so I figured the little bit of water was condensate. In hindsight I should have had them dab it with a white towel.

    Thoughts?

    Edit: she still has to drive back home in a few days which will be a little bit of a white-knuckle couple of days, I’m wondering if I should be preparing to assemble parts for a HG job, I would likely just buy a new or reman head and check the block. I read through a thread that talks about the rods becoming bent, and I don’t want to do all the work only to find out it was in vain shortly thereafter. How does one measure or determine the shape of the bottom end? Compare piston heights at top of stroke with head off? Compression test for rings? Except can’t do a compression test with an HG leak.
     
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  2. Tombukt2

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    Me personally I have learned my lesson with this engine and model and I wouldn't be preparing to do any such thing get me $2,02,500 out of the vehicle if it's possible and make arrangements I know it's a cute sexy looking car but now that should have worn off. Or be prepared to put a few grand in the mess and pray and hope with proper looking checking the deck height and all of this stuff It could work a while or it could not and you have this money vaporized so if you have money to vaporize and it wouldn't really affect you then by all means play the game that's what it's all about
     
  3. Dagoba

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    Is that a lot or a little?

    So in essence - these cars are a sexy money-vaporizing hot mess that likes to play games.
     
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    that's pretty much the size of it, although i would say you got your moneys worth at 200k, if you haven't done the engine, battery or brake actuator.
    there are plenty of threads here from people who have replaced their head gasket, swapped engines and even put in a gen 4.
     
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    ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

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    Sounds like you did the EGR angioplasty about 50,000 miles too late and it weakened the HG.

    Since you're able to DIY the head replacement I'd be tempted by this.
    If the car makes a 1,000 mile return hop on a bars-leak repaired bottom end then you're probably OK there, plus you have to consider the cost AND hassle delta between replacing the head and the motor.
    If both are small for you then a JDM motor might be your way to go.
    If replacing the bottom is beyond your situation then that makes the head replacement the least sucky option.
    You're looking at a 13-year-old car with 200k miles - BUT......
    You live in the PN-Dubbs and I'm betting that gas, used cars, candy bars, EVERYTHING is more expensive than it is in other places - so that also is a factor.

    Good Luck!

    Be different......
    Check back in and let us know how it shakes out.

    Oops.
    Bad metaphor?
     
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  6. Tombukt2

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    I tried to get me 2000 or 2500 out of what's left of the vehicle and move on me personally before I have five or six grand in the necessary repairs to a car that I can't see from here may not be worth three. That's all I'm saying I would probably want to start bowing out now before I start playing coolant loss games with engines that have no room for mistakes machining or any of it that's how they get this lightweight high gas mileage etc an old 350 V8 has plenty of metal to machine and straighten out and remove to bring things back in to qualifying specifications a Toyota 2ZZ doesn't have that luxury It's design It is part of the grand production process as it moves forward I guess
     
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    Yes and you've done well at 200k chalk it up and be good about it No worries If you start playing these thousand-dollar games and antics you're going to wind up or you don't want to be so maybe not do that hell for two grand you can buy a pretty good running generation too yeah for some people that may be a step backwards In reality I don't see how anyone could think that except looking with their eyes It's not as new and if that's where we are then I'll bow out and we're good I'm here for the long haul my friend I am not interested in fly by night vehicles that'll be here for a few minutes so that I can play initial d games or whatever not at all All of my cars make $500,000 miles except one or two and they were like Chevrolets or something no Oldsmobile
     
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    The only car in my life right now sitting just at 70 years old that has ever cost me any money that I would even breathe or talk about is a Gen 3 Prius I promise you I have the paperwork whatever all of my other vehicles going back Toyota 40 some odd years never anything like the 2013 Prius Persona which was just two owner car from oursman dealership network in Virginia DC area and the two owners lived across the street from each other they were good friends The car was never beat on nothing boringly driven to DC to work and parked in a parking garage and driven back home with two or three occupants. All other Toyota's I loan since the KE Corolla of the late '60s early '70s all the way up until that 13 Persona made 400k or better looked decent doing it and cost me almost nothing It was ridiculous That's why I say in the 40 years I've been fiddle farting around with cars I haven't paid any money and I'm not looking to start now I have friends of mine that have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on car nonsense over the same 40 years doing whatever doesn't really matter and not with super expensive cars either regular run of the mill boring get to work type stuff
     
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    Putting the pretend head gasket sealer was your downfall.
    Heavy cleaning of the radiator, heater core, water pump(or replacing), replacing the
    thermostat, cleaning out the small passages. Hopefully the head gasket is not warped.

    What type of coolant did she use? Using the incorrect coolant could cause it to jell....
    Then it doesn't flow. Then seizing the engine. Hopefully, she used Toyota 50/50 coolant.

    Since it just started leaking, once it gets over the initial knocking, by shutting the engine off
    a few times, driving will likely be okay as long as she doesn't wait long enough for the engine
    to cool and fluid leak into the cylinder.

     
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    Almost definitely the head gasket. Did the check engine light ever come on? I don't think a negative combustion gas test is super reliable on these cars. Stop leak will probably get her home but you'll have to deal with that if you do the job as it has potential to clog other things up.

    If you have the time and space (and tools), pull it apart and get a proper straight edge to check it and go from there. That's what I did and was able to get the job done for about $350 including the $70 straight edge (I had already done the water pump and thermostat recently though, which you'll want to replace most likely especially having done the stop leak). If it fails again it's not a huge deal, but if it doesn't I saved a ton and I'm personally willing to take that gamble.

    I don't see why you'd get a new head and not a new block though. I would do it the other way around based on my experience (car burns oil, but the head was in great shape).
     
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    How’d it look; any pictures?