Featured Toyota Founding Partner of Multi-Company Corporation to Install DC Fast Chargers

Happy to see Toyota joined the other 7 companies.
It will be interesting to see how they roll that out.

 

are these being paid for by taxpayers?

 

Electric Vehicle (EV) Charging Network News | IONNA

Looks like a new company that is a collaboration of several car manufacturers.

 

They'll have access to the IRA incentives.

 

That’s what I figured, they’d never do it on their own

 

That’s the only way Toyota ever does anything that isn’t motivated by profit

 

The question is whether they actually some of their money into it. That would be more than what they did for some hydrogen stations.

 

I would expect in order to become a part of IONNA they had to contribute some funds.

I have no idea how many funds.
I half expect Toyota to back out the week after the Olympics as they feel the ‘marketing moment’ has passed.

 

oh, the hyperbole

 

When they show up here:


Bob Wilson

 

Fast charging is cool. Rented a Chevy bolt one time and it was a total failure. I would have bought one of those if it were good. How will this work with 5th gen Prius prime?

 

Initially, my Tesla had a 120 kW charge limit . . . it was dodgy. Later, software upgraded it to 178 kW, much better.

My Tesla charging options:

• Any L2 - limited to 32 A, ~28-30 mi/hr, best at motels or eating a sit-down meal.
• ChargePoint CCS-1 - typically 60-65 kW, often dual head, shared load. Usable for 'bridging a gap.'
• SuperCharger V2 - limited to 150 kW, dual-shared load, better.
• SuperCharger V3 - limited to 250 kW, individual load, easy solution.

My BMW i3-REx taught CCS-1 chargers are awkward and unreliable. At a peak charge rate of 50 kW, cross country, EV is too slow and expensive. The Range Extender is about 1/4 th the cost per mile and only 2.3 gal. It runs 70 mph at 39 MPG, 24x7. It is comfortable, motorcycle-like, cross country car.

Bob Wilson

 

you can't charge a prime beyond L2.
most people don't need fast charging

 

Yet my two BMW i3-REx had fast DC charging although the 50 kW charge rate made cross country driving impractical.

Those "most people" have their requirements and I have mine. The absence of fast DC charging is for me, a fatal flaw. I prefer a fast DC charing rate of at least 120 kW, what my Tesla initially had. Today it was software upgraded to 178 kW.

Bob Wilson

 

agreed, you are not most people. i suspect the bmw battery is larger than prime

 

I like the idea of an electric car. Haters will say u can't do a road trip w it. Even IF you can't, how often do u do one? Rent a car. Put the big miles on the rental and hand it back dirty... Much better than racking up miles on your car.

It's a mistake to try n change others mind. If they don't like electric cars, it's ok. They don't have to. You have to like what you buy. I love that in Merika we can each do something different. No need to make us all do the same

 

I did a couple of longer trips in the Nissan Leaf. I also rented and borrowed cars. A newer EV with more miles would be perfect. Even road trips would be possible. I kind of liked having to stop and smell the roses as my EV charged.

Rentals... I don't see that as a viable option anymore. When COVID hit all the rental places around here sold most of their vehicles, and the next thing you know it was impossible to rent a car. And now, the price is much higher than before. The last time I rented a van to take the family on a weekend vacation I paid $1,300, which is over triple what I used to pay. At that rate it might be cheaper for me to just go buy a used Sienna or similar, especially since we go see the in-laws some 4 times a year and go down to the big city some 3 other times a year with plenty of other trips we do.

True, although I don't see much of a point of trying to solve certain problems affecting all of society if most of that society doesn't want a solution. If I care about the environment, human health and pedestrian safety, yet everyone else wants to buy a gas-guzzling SUV and drive like maniacs, then what's the point of me being the only one looking to buy a more efficient car or trying to walk and bike more knowing full well I'll probably be clobbered by some pickup or SUV? It's kind of like me not liking that my apartment building is full of tobacco and now marijuana smoke yet me being the only one who doesn't smoke.

Ya, well, I'm not sure I like what I buy as my vehicles. I buy them out of necessity. Perhaps the only reason I hate my Avalon is because of that stupid touch screen that just won't do what I need it to do. With more and more cars having features I hate and taking away all the ones I like I don't really like any of the newer cars out there. But I don't really like the pollution and safety hazards of older cars either. Oh well, I guess it's best to be grateful for what I have.

 

In general, I agree with you.
The limits we have, and I support, are limits based on your actions that affect other people’s lives.
You can’t burn leaves in an open pit during a Red Flag event.

I don’t want to force anyone to own an EV.
But if someone spreads bad information about them, or their capabilities, I will correct that misinformation. Just as I did/do when it comes to hybrids.