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'06 with P0A80 code. Replace traction battery with new OEM, or ___?

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  1. bcmanucd

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    Hi All,

    I have an '06 with about 135,000 miles that recently gave my wife the red triangle of death, VSC, and check engine lights. I hooked up my bluetooth OBD2 reader, and codes P3000 and P0A80 were stored. I cleared the codes, and P0A80 returned. While I was doing this, the car was sitting in park, ignition on, with no climate control, and I was watching the battery level display on the MFD go from 4 bars (blue) down to 2 bars (purple) in about a minute. The engine would kick on, battery would charge back up, engine would shut off, and the process would repeat every couple of minutes. MPG has been great recently, though there have been a few times over the past couple months where the traction battery loses all charge overnight.

    Based on the codes, this behavior, and its age, I'm fully expecting the traciton battery needs replacing. I'm the 2nd owner after my mom, so I know the pack is original. I've got some hope that it might be corroded contacts, since it lived most of its life in a "marine" environment (less than a 1/4 mile from the ocean) and I've already dealt with lots of rusted/seized fasteners. I'll probably open it up to take a look tomorrow, but I'd like to start exploring my options for replacement now. I'm pretty darn mechanically inclined, and not scared of working on high voltage, so doing cell/module replacement/reconditioning is certainly an option, though I'd have to procure the proper equipment. It's our 2nd car, and none of us use cars for commuting to work/school, so this can certainly become a project vehicle. Are there options out there to convert the 2nd gen to a plug-in hybrid? Or new battery chemistries that will improve the fuel economy?
     
  2. Tombukt2

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    Some sweetest guy made a battery set up that you could plug in to a wall some guy in Maryland has one He might chime in a few You might be able to Google it but I'm certain you probably can't buy it. I've asked the question many times Make me a battery twice the size of the one now with the latest chemistry and the 211 volt setup which is us and our Prius and what could I expect nobody has anything to say so apparently later chemistry and more AH and all that is somewhat more trouble than it's worth or something maybe our electric motors can't carry us down the road at speed you know and city at 30 maybe or something I don't know. Like my volte I'd like to do the same thing. But apparently all you can do is spend $10,000 and get a replacement battery of exactly what was in there No new chemistry no new nothing which to me seems nonsensical I guess I need to call Rich rebuilds and see what his buddies know.
     
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    I would begin with getting a scantool that can view the HV battery ecu data, specifically the battery block voltages. For this one task, I find the Dr Prius app to be quite useful.

    The battery has 28 sealed modules in series. The ecu monitors the voltage in pairs (so 14 "blocks").

    The main bit of data you want is VOLTage DIFFerence. When the ecu sees the difference between blocks get "too high" for "too long", it sets codes.

    Normally that rarely exceeds 0.3V for more than a few seconds. If a cell in a module fails, you'll see that block 1.0-1.5V lower than others (possibly only under load).

    I also have another tool that can scan codes and data on all systems for a Gen2 prius (getting INF codes is also good). Here's a review thread.

    https://priuschat.com/index.php?posts/3290690

    Here is a VERY long thread about DIY pack repair using hobby RC chargers to charge-discharge cycle modules. I did it once, never again - took about 5 weeks to do 4-6 cycles per module for 32 modules - (27 original, plus 5 replacement from ebay as several never improved like the others).

    That said, the pack did fine for 2-1/2 years and 50k.

    https://priuschat.com/index.php?posts/1788250

    You can also research "grid chargers", which cycle the entire pack at one time once the bad module(s) are replaced.

    Then there's "refurbished" packs, where someone else (possibly) does the above process on other used modules. Understand the warranty as you'll likely need it. Might get 2-3 years, or maybe 2-3 weeks. Some can cost awfully close to new OE.

    Or look at finding a full set of used modules from a newer Prius. Any NiMh battery pack from a Gen2, Gen3, or some Gen4 can fit in the Gen2 case.

    Lastly is a new pack from Toyota. Shop (online) around and you might be able to find it for under $2k to you. The dealer often quotes full list price and a installation if you want them to do the work.

    Posted via the PriusChat mobile app.
     
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  4. bisco

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    there's an aftermarket lithium pack, but it is controversial
     
  5. bcmanucd

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    Thanks for all the replies so far. I downloaded Dr Prius and found that my battery block 5 looked bad - its voltage would drop well below the others when discharging, and surge above them when charging. I also got a new code, P0315 "Battery Block 5 Becomes Weak." I found a local guy who sold me two "reconditioned" modules for $30 each. I didn't ask about his reconditioning process, but at that price I was willing to roll the dice. I opened the pack, found one module more than 1 volt lower than the rest, and swapped it out. I linked the modules in parallel to balance for 24 hrs, shuffled the modules and reassembled the pack. Unfortunately, I still got the P0A80/P3000 codes; it looks like the module I bought is the culprit. But I found a potentialy bigger problem: the HV battery fan wasn't working. There was a ton of corrosion on one of the pins in this wiring harness:
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    On my 45 minute test drive, I saw battery temps get up to 138F, but I never heard the fan. OBDlink app showed the fan speed was 6, but the van voltage was 0. I clipped the brown wire and jumped it across the connector, and now my fan appears to be working properly. But over the past couple days, I'm still seeing pretty high battery temps, like ~115F when the outside temp is 70F.

    I'm thinking the fan might have been busted for a long time, and repeated exposure to high temps has probably damaged all the modules to some degree. Does that make sense?

    So, I'm looking into whole pack replacement options now. I called my local Toyota dealer, and to just buy the HV batteryfrom the parts desk will be about $3k with tax. My wife is leaving on a van trip through Oregon on Wednesday, so she could possibly buy from a dealer up there to avoid sales tax, if I can pull the pack in time to send it with her for the core refund. I'm just not sure exactly which parts I'd need to keep...

    I've ruled out Project Lithium/NexPower based on the warnings about the "signal soother" and lack of a proper BMS I've read about/seen here and on Reddit/Youtube. Similarly, NewPriusBatteries doesn't seem like a great option, as it's $1900 and a fair bit of DIY assembly for a lifespan of about 5 years. I've found a couple options in the Bay Area for whole pack replacement that would take a couple hours to drive to. First is battery4hybrid, which can install a "BRAND NEW Battery" for $1999 at their shop in San Francisco or come to me for an additional charge. 5 year warranty. It's not clear from the website if "BRAND NEW Battery" means Toyota OEM. I'll call tomorrow to inquire.

    Second option is greentecauto, who will sell me a pack "with BRAND NEW CELLS" for $1950, though I'd have to pay an extra $200 for residential delivery, plus the cost to ship back my old pack to get the core charge refunded. I expect I could pick up (and return the core) at their shop in Hayward, and they also do installation at their shop, or mobile installation, for a charge. 4 year warranty.

    Anyone have experience with either of these companies? Both battery4hybrid and greentecauto have lower-priced rebuilt/remanufactured pack options with shorter warranties, but I'm not too interested in those.
     
  6. bisco

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    call as many dealers as you are comfortable driving to. they are price competitive, and some report getting a new battery for under $2,000.
    the lack of fan operation could definitely shorten battery life, but it is 18 years old after all.
    there are no options to convert toplug in since toyota came out with their own back in 2012.
     
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    the only issue with buying reconditioned batteries (even those claiming to use new cells) is that you're playing whack-a-mole just like replacing and balancing your own.
    everyone has a different experience, and there are no consistent winners compared to oem.