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  1. Bob likes hybrids

    Bob likes hybrids New Member

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    New to Prius chat. Been reading for a while, but my Prius has been so reliable, that I have not stopped by that often.

    I have a 2005 Prius. It has 120K miles on it. It has been the picture of reliability until 5 days ago. We went on a trip and left the Prius in the garage for 5 days. It was hot while we were away, but nothing Phoenix-like – just 100 degrees each day – here in Oregon.

    I came back and was ready to do some errands and started the Prius. Triangle of death, plus a few other lights came on. Did the check the 12 v check and it was low – 11.6-11.9 volts. Turn the car on and it popped right up to 14.2 volts. Ok – I thought I had been on borrowed time on the 12V (it drained a couple of times and I needed to charge it with my Jackery) – so I replaced it. I also purchased OBD plugin monitor and downloaded Mr Prius and paid the $13.99.

    Mr Prius came back with just one error code P03000 or something similar, which I think is just that the triangle and check engine light are on.

    I was able to clear the codes and start the car, but the symptoms started to change and things were spiraling downhill a bit.

    Mr Prius showed pack voltage of 230.28 volts, #1 was highest at 16.71, #2 was lowest at 15.19. All others were 16.49 to 16.65 volts. All the internal resistances were 19 m-ohms. 12 volt battery showed at 14.2 with the car running. (With the car off the new battery went from 12.1 when installed to 12.4 after driving around the block.)

    Here are the symptoms that concern me.

    1. I have never heard the battery fan running before, but now it is constantly on – presumably on high. Regarding that, Mr Prius showed 131-142 Deg F on the 3 areas in the monitor. Earlier, this had been 85, which was close to ambient temp. (The jump in temp has me worried, along the fan running, when I have never heard it before.) I just checked it again and they were higher 140-160F.

    2. There seems to be more clicking at the start than I remember – like connections closing or trying to close. I might be overthinking this.

    3. When looking at the hybrid level in the car display, the battery level would jump around, going down as low as 1 bar and then slowly work its way back to all bars except one. I never noticed it jump down, just that it was down. This is new.


    I can run whatever tests folks think of value and take screen shots.

    The car seems to run ok, but I did not like it that more things seem to be going off.

    I don't want to lose faith in the car.

    Ok - last - completely different item. Every time I get the car checked, the mechanic comes back with that the brakes are at 45-55%. I have never had them worked on. Same with my old Highlander Hybrid. If I brake slowly, do the brakes shoes last forever?
     
  2. TMR-JWAP

    TMR-JWAP Senior Member

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    99% chance that you have a weak/failed module in the HV battery. Your HV battery is assembled using 28 individual modules, wired in series. Each module is nominally 7.2 volts (but typically around 7.8-8.0) The ecu measures voltage every two modules, thats why you see those values. Two modules together is called a block. That's why there are 14. Each individual module is a plastic case with 6 individual cells, each 1.2v nominal. When you see one block voltage ~1.2 v lower than the others, it usually means one cell inside on module has failed. Individual modules can be replaced relatively inexpensively if you're a decent DIYer. A well repaired (or better yet, a new Toyota battery) will return your car to it's previous glory.

    This post I made in this thread may help explain it better:

    Inconsistent Hybrid battery readings | PriusChat
     
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  3. Tombukt2

    Tombukt2 Senior Member

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    Your battery is over 10 years old That's one box ticked The car is the same age as the battery I would imagine Just getting that time or you'll be changing out modules and parts under that battery hood until you finally decide maybe really should get a battery Don't waste a lot of time playing whack-a-mole and all that Just get a battery and you should be back where you are It's just that time the mileage comes slow for this car usually this vehicle will have 300,000 on it by now and be time for the battery.
     
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    get a free load test on the new 12 volt at many auto parts stores. if nothing else, it needs a charge
     
  5. Bob likes hybrids

    Bob likes hybrids New Member

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    Thanks for the info. I have reviewed your whack-a-mole and that gives me some pause regarding the replacing just the lousy module. I can buy modules for ~$35 each, or a remanufactured battery for $1500 (2 year warranty and including shipping) or ... I have reviewed videos on replacing the module and replacing the battery. Both are well within my DIY abilities. I am now asking for a suggestion. We have been running this car 400 miles per week during the summer (20 miles per week during the winter), specifically for its great gas mileage (46-52 mostly depending on the wind direction.)

    I am now looking for suggestions. If I can get 2 years out of whack-a-mole, I would be happy - if I (or my wife) will not get stuck on a highway somewhere in the middle of the night.

    Still a bit concerned about the battery temperature readings. But I went out there today and just monitored the battery without starting the car and Dr Prius was saying 112.12, 119.59 and 108.40 and the garage temp was 75, so the thermistors might be out of calibration. I have cleared the P3000 error and the car runs normally, but 3 miles in, the triangle warning light would come on, along with the P3000 error code - no others. And the battery fans would come on.

    We wanted this car to be stick around for 5 more years as a bridge until electric and self driving cars are further refined.
     
  6. pasadena_commut

    pasadena_commut Senior Member

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    Have you cleaned the HV battery fan? They can get very dirty and clogged up, especially if you let a dog ride in the vehicle.