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Rental bore scope that looks sideways?

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by pasadena_commut, Jul 3, 2024.

  1. pasadena_commut

    pasadena_commut Senior Member

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    Do any of you know of an auto parts store which rents/loans the kind of bore scope that looks sideways instead of or in addition to just along the axis of the cable? The one at Autozone supposedly has the little mirror that can be clipped to the cable, but I tried one of those once and it was tough to make out anything. Horrible optics.

    This isn't for the Prius luckily. The wife's 98 Accord has "mystery coolant loss" which might be a slightly leaking head gasket. (How mysterious? Coolant disappears, no white smoke, no smell, no visible leaks, cooling system held pressure for 20 minutes with at most 0.1 PSI loss, not a drop under the car, no leak in the cabin, no oil in coolant, no coolant in oil, no overheating, no bubbles in coolant while running, otherwise car runs fine. Have not yet done compression tests, but doubt it will show anything.) We looked in the cylinders with the bore scope I already own, which just shows a cone parallel to the cable axis, so we couldn't get a good look at the cylinder walls, only the top of the piston. The plugs and cylinder tops all looked pretty similar, none had that "steam cleaned" look
     
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    Search amazon for "dual lens endoscope". There's usb C plugins (for certain smartphones) under $35, a few decent units (1.0 MP camera with lcd) around $100, up to "pro level" (high resolution) units for $250-400.

    Usually, the first sign of a seeping Head Gasket is a brief misfire when starting the car in the morning. It takes awhile before coolant "steam cleans" the combustion chamber.

    I put the pressure tester on the radiator and pump it up to cap opening pressure. Then leave it overnight. The next day pull the plugs and look inside with the videoscope for coolant.

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    Thanks. I was trying to avoid buying one since looking into engine cylinders isn't something I do very often.

    Does fluid really accumulate in the cylinder if it is kept pressurized that long? I watched a bunch of videos by people who had the right cameras and the drops always just ran down the cylinder wall and then disappeared between the cylinder and piston.

    In the meantime I put some UV dye into the coolant and drove it around for 20 minutes, turning the heater on and off. Which was brutal considering how hot it was today. I'm going to jack up the car later and look around with a UV flashlight, especially behind the motor. It didn't leak anywhere forward of the motor. Hopefully find some sign of a leak outside the motor. If not, the plugs come out and we look again. The bright green of the dye may be more visible than the blue of the usual coolant would have been. I checked the oil right after the drive and it didn't have any dye in it. Apparently Accords can leak coolant into the intake manifold, wouldn't that be fun.
     
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    That might be hard to pass up ... (1) how much less would a rental be (especially after the hassle of finding who rents one, and renting it, and returning it), and (2) if you buy one you have one. Car cylinder bore inspection might be the only use for one you can think of at the moment, but that all changes when you own a skinny camera.

    I have a single-lens one that cost me about $20 and have never regretted it.

    One thing that bothered me about it, though, was that a smartphone (at least Android, which I have) would not automatically recognize it as a choice in the camera app. I verified before buying that the USB borescope I bought presents itself to the host system as a UVC (USB Video Class) standard device. If I plug it into a Linux desktop, the existing v4l driver will see it and it's an available choice for capturing video. But plug it into an Android phone and it isn't.

    Of course, you're supposed to get around that by downloading a special app for the device that you bought, and installing that. But I'm more willing to plug a piece of standard hardware into my phone than I am to install some closed app with mystery origins, and it bugs me to have to do that when the borescope is supposedly standard UVC.

    Recently I discovered there's an open-source generic UVC camera app for Android (called UVC Camera), and I installed that and it does work with the borescope I have. To me, that makes me happier than having to download some bespoke closed app to do it.

    The UVC Camera app isn't quite plug-n-play yet: it has a screen where it shows you possible settings available for whatever UVC device you have plugged in, and you have to experiment with those for a bit until pictures happen, and then you can save those settings so it just works later.

    I assume in some later version that will be more automated; after all, you don't have to go through that with the v4l driver in desktop Linux, so there must be ways for the app to discover the right settings more automatically. But at least the app exists now, and can be made to work with a bit of patience.
     
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    The bore scope I have is made by Klein tools. It is meh. The main problem is that it has one size USB on its cord and a permanently clipped on adapter for another (mini and USB C I think, don't recall which is which). Anyway, my LG Android phone can only connect through the adapter, and that makes the connection flaky as a fresh croissant. It takes 3 hands to use it right, one of which is there to stabilize that adapter connection. My son's Android phone uses the other type of connector, so it skips the adapter, and the scope works reliably on his phone. The picture quality also leaves much to be desired.

    On further consideration, I can think of a few applications for a bore scope that looks sideways beyond cylinder inspection, so maybe I will spring for an inexpensive one and see how it works.

    I will have to look into that generic application. The Klein tools one is nothing special, and if I'm going to have more than one of these devices, it would be nice to only have to learn one app. I wonder how it sees a bore scope with both a forward and sideways camera? Maybe as two separate devices?
     
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    That's been my experience with USB-C connectors on phones too. I have a phone I can't charge now except wirelessly, and another one I can charge on a cable if I sit there and hold it. The USB borescope works on that phone the same way. Maybe if I build some kind of clamp contraption out of tongue sticks and rubberbands.

    This might belong on the vent thread.
     
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    I use a 6" sacrificial pigtail extension on the phone I care about. That and a clamp mount have saved me a lot of hassle in the increasing number of situations where my phone is the interface for one tool or another.
     
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    Or clamp the phone and cord securely to a scrap of 1x4 lumber with screws and various sorts of rubber padded washers and clamps. Come to think of it, I have a box of polycarbonate pieces about that size around here somewhere, and that material isn't too hard to drill and tap. It would certainly be nice to be able to hold and move the phone around with one hand and not have to worry about the cable connection failing. Maybe clamp the endoscope cable (the semirigid part) to the back, then loop it around and into the phone, with a couple more clamps. Yeah, that sound like a fun project.
     
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    I bought a Teslong dual lens bore scope from Amazon (links to there from here never work, enter B0CL4MJ6NK in their search field). Image on the 1 LED side view camera is good enough for what I need. Not sure if it would show surface issues with a cylinder wall but I could easily read small text with it, so finding a drop of coolant shouldn't be a problem. The side view camera is placed so that the camera is closest to the tip and the LED farthest, at about 1 cm from the tip. So the bore scope needs to be able to get around 1cm into a cylinder or the LED won't throw much light. Shouldn't be a problem except maybe at top dead center.

    Also bought a pack of USB C adapters (Amazon, B0BWYG78FH), with a C to Micro adapter to fit my phone.

    The good news - the camera works using their Xscope app. That is the only way to select the tip or side - there is no button on the box molded onto the cable that holds the illumination brightness control.

    The bad news - the USB-C to USB micro adapter was completely nonfunctional. It didn't work with either the Klein or Teslong bore scopes. The phone didn't see the USB device at all. Pity because it seated very solidly in the micro port, no wobble at all. So I had to test the Teslong through the iffy Klein adapter.

    I tried the UVC Camera app, and "rough" doesn't begin to describe it. The configuration lists around 10 fields, and the only "documentation" on the bore scopes is the resolution. Going to be some work getting that to function. On about the 3rd try it saw the Teslong just enough to complain that there were 3 USB devices, with the strange complaint that "there must be at least two" (that isn't verbatim). I was hoping it would see it as two cameras and give the option of selecting one. Maybe if I plug this into a linux box the OS will populate enough under /sys/module/uvcvideo to fill in those fields.
     
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    Used the Teslong bore scope to check for coolant leaking into the wife's Accord (with the radiator pressurized to 16 psi, which is its rating). I didn't save any pictures, but both the tiny 1 LED side camera and the front camera with more LEDs gave very nice high resolution images. No coolant was observed, thankfully. Rotating the scope is a little awkward as it is attached to the phone by a roll of cable, and getting a particular region into focus required moving the cable up and down and tilting it slightly. It could see some light ash on some valves, edge on. The one thing it really cannot do is look back up at the valves. Unless one was dramatically damaged, it would be hard to see if a valve was bent with this camera. There was a dense mesh of extremely fine diagonal scratches on the cylinder walls, like the intersection of evenly spaced forward tilted and reverse tilted partial spirals (perhaps 1/4 turn from the top of the piston to the top of the block). Maybe left over the original honing? No vertical scratches were noted. Whatever, the car runs fine.

    Given the price, the overall performance of this bore scope was excellent.
     
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    I have some very solid-seeming USB-to-USB-C adapters that I cannot use that way—the phone doesn't notice anything plugged in—and one special USB-to-USB-C adapter that came in the box with my most recent phone, and does work.

    The one that came with the phone was intended for use migrating from an old phone. Plug the two together with a cable, and the new one sucks all the stuff in from the old one.

    What I suspect is the only magic is that the adapter that came with the phone is a "USB-To-Go" adapter. A device on USB is either a Host or a Peripheral. Your Linux box naturally considers itself a Host, and the borescope of course is a Peripheral.

    A phone generally considers itself a Peripheral (you can connect it by USB to a Host for syncing purposes), and a USB-To-Go adapter is specially wired so, when you plug it in, it tells the phone "no, you're a Host now", and then you can use the phone with a Peripheral.