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Should I get a Prolong/Maxx Volts charger for my new OEM pack?

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Technical Discussion' started by bcmanucd, Jul 23, 2024 at 7:00 PM.

  1. bcmanucd

    bcmanucd Junior Member

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    '06, 135k miles. My wife is currently en route in our van to a Toyota dealership in Oregon to buy a new hybrid battery, so I should have it in about a week. I chose replacement rather than try to recondition the old pack, since it seems my battery fan was out of commission for who knows how long, and there was probably a lot of cumulative heat damage. But I'm tempted to buy a charger and harness from either Hybrid Automotive or Maxx Volts (or possibly even DIY one based on the work by alftoy and PriusCamper) so I can periodically top balance the new pack.

    I'm trying to decide if this might just be a waste of money. After all, the last pack lasted 18 years, so it's likely I'll get at least 10 years out of the new one, at which point the car will be 28 years old. But, currently we don't drive it much - it might sit unused for a week or more at a time. I've read that this can be bad for the longevity of the pack. What would y'all do?
     
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    Your new battery pack won't need any help for 7 or 8 years... But getting that old pack charge and balanced and tested would be wise. Of course it's not worth losing the core deposit by keeping it. Unless you want to buy a Sodium-Ion pack for $1500 instead of OEM? Then you could keep the old pack to tinker with and I could loan you gear to do that.

    There's a chance I'll be in Napa on the 11th if it could wait that long... Might be able to help you get a Sodium-Ion pack despite them currently being sold out at that time. Private message me if interested?
     
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    Buying a grid charger for a new OEM HV battery is a waste of money. It will not be needed for 7 to 10 years.
     
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    Curious what you paid here in Oregon for the new battery, mine is getting weaker and flagging codes almost daily though I'm still getting a calculated 51mpg.(did you have any issue buying direct from dealer i always thought they only sold to repair shops)

    dont know if I can wait for the sold out sodium ion batteries much as I want to try them

    SM-G960U ?
     
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    $1950 plus the $1350 core charge at Grants Pass Toyota. They had to order it, but it came in 2 business days. My wife hasn't picked it up yet; if they give her any grief I'll report back.
     
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    Oregon Washington State is the original poster Old mage? If not just forget this post A friend of mine from the Toyota mods list and old celica club.
     
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    I own one of these battery chargers along with the discharger instructions blah blah blah several hundred dollars and it's been used maybe twice so to be honest about it it was a poor investment for tooling for my Prius I would not do it again now I could build something like people have done here similar for whatever it is 150 bucks but at the time I was in more of a hurry and essentially had more money than sense so I would not do it again so you may want to think this over really carefully and I work on these cars own four of them and see them daily and if not needed to be charging the HV batteries at all and not because there's not anything wrong with them or anything it's just that all the charging and BS and around generally is not a thing. When your battery is bad it's bad All the people that play whack a mold and all these games with their batteries at some point wind up with another car maybe that doesn't have batteries like that or they wind up with a new hybrid battery like with your flashlight when the batteries go dead you don't spend hours playing with hobby chargers to have a flashlight working you go up to the CVS and you buy batteries so there's always things like that.
     
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    I've read that the quality of the prolong line as well as customer service has declined since Jeff sold the business a few years ago. I think there are some threads here about it, but there are many at insightcentral.net where Jeff has an account and has posted a lot in the past.
    If attempting to use the insightcentral site, make sure you've got at least 4GB of ram in a computer or it will grind to a halt within a half hour or three of four different posted threads.
    Maybe the new owners of Hybrid Automotive have fixed the quality and customer service issues they had as new owners, but you might want to research that before buying.
    Prolong Battery Charger – Hybrid Automotive

    Maxx Volts EL-1 Entry Level Charging System

    Hybrid ReVolt Smart Grid Charger [HR-GC1] - $799.99 : HybridReVolt: Hybrid Battery Repair
     
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    I'm curious how Grants Pass, which will be around a 750 mile round trip, turned out to be the place to buy this since there are at least 25 or 50 other Toyota dealers in CA which are closer to Santa Rosa. Before Toyota broke their parts site, making price comparisons at the various dealers totally hit and mostly miss, the dealer in Salinas was often the lowest price on parts, including on packs (one time when I looked, quite a while ago.) Presumably the core is going back to a closer dealer, or is your better half game for doing the whole trip again later with the core?
     
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    I pulled the pack and sent it with her when she left last week. I have access to a 3rd vehicle, but I work from home. She's had this tour of the PNW planned for a while; the stop in Grants Pass is on her route.

    my local dealer wanted $2660 plus core. With sales tax, that would be close to $3k all said and done. Grants Pass is saving me about a grand.
     
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    OK, I've had an idea. It's probably a bad one. But hear me out.

    I'm somewhat familiar with the EV mode button mod - as I understand it, our US-spec Prii have the latent functionality, just need a switch/button hooked up. But I don't see much benefit if the car is still a non-plug-in hybrid. Sooner or later, you have to pay the piper with the gas engine. Long-term fuel economy shouldn't change much at all.

    But, what if you could plug in, by using one of the aforementioned on-vehicle grid chargers? I'm aware that the battery capacity is 1.3 kWh, of which only 60% is available since the ICE will kick on at 40% SOC, and it can only supply 33.5 HP of electric power (and only up to ~43 mph). No matter what I do to this car, it will never be a Prius Prime. But I have to wonder if topping up regularly and using EV mode will help me reduce fuel consumption in a few scenarios. For example, driving my daughter to school. It's 5 miles round trip, flat, with a few traffic lights and speed limits of 35/40mph. I think I could do that feather-footedly enough to not require the ICE. I haven't crunched the numbers to estimate how far ~0.9 kWh would get me at those speeds, but even if it can only do half of that round trip, that could be a meaningful dent in my fuel consumption.

    I'm not really worried about this making financial sense; for the small amount that we use this car, it could take years to recoup the cost of the charger even if the electricity is free (which it kinda is for us; our rooftop solar makes more than we use). I'd do it more out of a desire to reduce my carbon footprint, and just because I like tinkering. But I'm worried about what effects on the long-term life of the new pack I'd see from frequent top-ups. Hybrid Automotive's website talks about the benefits to longevity of top balancing, but suggests to do it every 4-6 months. I'm talking about doing it a few times every week.

    This is a bad idea, right? Somebody tell me it's a bad idea so I can forget about it.
     
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    There was a battery system that was made by some guy from I'm not sure where another country living here that turned the generation 2 into a plug-in hybrid if you will there's a guy in Maryland who's on this list that owns that car He pops in and out of here with head gasket problems and catalytic converter issues and things like that It's a generation 2 that has this guy's battery that I guess he made in marketed for a few minutes in the generation two hullabaloo. He might pop up in here in a minute and chime in but this guy has a charger and he plugs the car in and supposedly can drive it some kind of speed on EV power and so on and so on I really don't know that much about it he sent me a link to read about it sometime ago and I do look at it and I don't know where I put the link but it doesn't do anything spectacular so I'm at home with $211 volts and electric motors and all that you're not going to do a whole lot The Prius was made as a low voltage alternative that does everything extremely well That's what car people in the nose said about the Prius since it's inception and since it pretty much hit the road that was for the generation one and two generally