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Ok, so why did you response this

So, you know better than the IIHS safety engineers, who dedicate their careers on this?

When I said:

Which, personally I find stupid if true, especially if the car in "DRCC" won't react fast enough to prevent a collision!

It reads that you're saying EAB should be disabled then DRCC is enabled. Because what I said is in agreement with IIHS safety engineers, not the opposite.

 

That still doesn't answer why you said

So, you know better than the IIHS safety engineers, who dedicate their careers on this?

 

From their test of the Mach-E, it was possible to have AEB off with the ADAS, like DRCC, on.
Now, who turns off the AEB? Like seat belt minders, the setting from the factory is very likely on.

 

No text or video can convey what happens with Full Self Driving. It takes seat time, best with a mentor in the passenger seat. Even so, some will not 'unlearn' their driving habits and reject Full Self Driving. But younger drivers will take to it as fast as they did to iPhones.

Implicit with this post, I am willing to give mentored introductions to Full Self Driving. It takes a minimum of 30 minutes best broken up over two days so there is time to remember and replay the first session before the second.

Bob Wilson

 

The local motorcyclist run down by the local driver using Tesla AP, in post #123, was wearing a GoPro camera. Investigators will try to download any video from it (likely facing away from the impact), and are also looking for any possible video from the Tesla (facing towards the impact). Can't convey everything, but could still be helpful.

My cars have dashcams front and rear.

 

My Tesla has eight cameras and past video from "Sentry Mode" shows video recorded: front; both sides, and; rear view.

Bob Wilson

 

Having videos has sure helped us with insurance claims.
I have seen quite a few reports of it helping with law enforcement as well.

I spoke with a state trooper who said he “loves Teslas” as they make figuring out what happened much easier.

 

Sounds like a ringing endorsement for flock cameras, traffic cameras and facial recognition cameras and how they make society safer!

 

Bob Wilson

 

I feel very strongly that cameras in public spaces are a huge benifit to the public. It may be a big detriment to the insurance fraudsters as well as lawyers that get paid by the hour.
Facial recognition really brings little more to the table, not sure why you added that in. Perhaps in edge cases.

 

Tesla’s 2 million car Autopilot recall is now under federal scrutiny | Ars Technica

"After excluding crashes where the other car was at fault, where Autopilot wasn't operating, or where there was insufficient data to make a determination, it found 467 Autopilot crashes that fell into three distinct categories.

First, 221 were frontal crashes in which the Tesla hit a car or obstacle despite "adequate time for an attentive driver to respond to avoid or mitigate the crash." Another 111 Autopilot crashes occurred when the system was inadvertently disengaged by the driver, and the remaining 145 Autopilot crashes happened under low grip conditions, such as on a wet road."

This is Autopilot, it is certainly many revisions ago. All it does for me is point to the human and environmental variables at play.

 

Followup: The event data recorder shows that the Tesla Model S that struck and killed a local motorcyclist in April, while the driver was disengaged from driving to pay attention to his cell phone, was running on FSD, not AP:

Seattle Times / AP: Tesla in fatal Monroe crash was using self-driving system, authorities say

"Authorities have determined a Tesla that hit and killed a motorcyclist in Monroe in April was operating on the company’s “Full Self-Driving” system at the time of the crash.

Investigators from the Washington State Patrol made the discovery after downloading information from the event-data recorder on the 2022 Tesla Model S, agency spokesperson Capt. Deion Glover said Tuesday.

“The investigation is still ongoing in this case,” Glover said in an email to The Associated Press. No charges have been filed, he said.
...
After the crash, the driver told a trooper that he was using Tesla’s Autopilot system and looked at his cellphone while the Tesla was moving.

“The next thing he knew there was a bang and the vehicle lurched forward as it accelerated and collided with the motorcycle in front of him,” the trooper wrote in a probable cause document.

The 56-year-old driver was arrested for investigation of vehicular homicide “based on the admitted inattention to driving, while on Autopilot mode, and the distraction of the cell phone while moving forward, putting trust in the machine to drive for him,” the affidavit said.

The motorcyclist, Jeffrey Nissen, 28, of Stanwood, was under the car and died at the scene, authorities reported. ..."

 

That was at least 2 to 3 releases ago. Version 12.5.1 has been announced but not yet downloaded to my Tesla.

Bob Wilson

 

A good all-purpose excuse or rationalization, for any conceivable situation, usable forever as long as frequent updates continue rolling out.

 

Not really, I'm a retired engineer and operating system programmer. There has been some progress since JCL, TSO, and DOS.

At age 74, I'm nearly unemployable but if I added "COBOL" to my Linkin resume, I have no doubt there would be calls.

Computers and software are always advancing. To think "Full Self Driving" is neither, well

 

Similar to the all purpose excuse for not paying attention to the road. I don’t care if the guy was using autopilot, FSD, manual driving or Fred Flintstone style powered motion.

The driver is morally and legally responsible for the crash.

When a car’s driver assistance tech is certified level 5, that will change.

 

Public cameras have been constantly abused. That is why I am against police forces profiting from traffic cams and public cams. If used correctly they can be good, but this has not been a fair case in the US, where police regularly delete or hide their bad behavior and use cam footage to harras some citizens who they are in a dispute with.

Definitely when an individual has the cams and not the police or google or some other profit making fraudsters they are a good thing. I caught the person that hit and ran my car because of my cameras, police didn't do anything but insurance went after them.

 

how many cars without auto pilot have hit and killed motorcyclists? how many motorcycle drivers have been at fault?

 

5579 motorcycle fatalities in the last year that there are statistics for. Drivers should be extra cautious around motorcycles, I don't think they keep statistics on autopilot type crashes. Every death is a tragedy.