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Discussion in 'Prius, Hybrid, EV and Alt-Fuel News' started by Gokhan, Dec 17, 2023.

  1. bisco

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    i disagree. tesla's (and others) autopilot is already safer than many humans. it shouldn't be that long.
    there not going to be perfect, and only when all cars are equipped with them would i be comfortable.
    i'm not worried about my driving, it's the other 99%
     
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    Personally, I just hope that self driving cars are a thing in at most 20 years so I don't have to bother my kids to drive me somewhere lol.
     
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    reaction time was probably a poor description. my brain doesn't seem to be programmed the same way between the two options.
    it's not the time it takes my foot to move, it's the time it takes my brain to be aware that my foot needs to move.
    again, i'm speaking about myself, idk if any studies have been done.
     
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    A few times I had to emergency brakes, like when wolves crossed our path at night while in Autopilot. As soon as I saw them running in front of me, I went for the brake pedal, hard. Didn't have to think about it. But, with kids learning to drive with one pedal driving, they might not have the reflex we built with years of driving before one pedal driving.
     
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    I prefer to believe my lying eyes supervising my Full Self Driving Tesla.

    BTW, "finally" is premature. Tesla Full Self Driving continues to improve and download to our Teslas. For those who want to justify their thinking, "finally" works. Like chastity, its own reward and punishment.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    3PriusMike Prius owner since 2000, Tesla M3 2018

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    I don't think that FSD or any automated systems avoids 6 inch potholes.
    But then I don't think any human can look in 4 directions at once to avoid getting hit

    Mike
     
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    Show us the data. The full set, not just press release summaries.
     
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    Because California EDD (employment development department) required the Fremont plant to abide by California state labor laws and fair practices. To save money, Musk reincorporated in Texas - He didn't relocated to Mexico or Canada!!!

    NTSB fines are Federal Not State fines - lets not muddy the waters and stick to the subject and facts at hand.....
     
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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    What does FSD stand for?

    Depends on the state of the driver monitoring system in the car. Tesla doesn't get the highest marks there even after using the inside camera.

    How many car CEOs let themselves be filmed hands off of a Level 2 system that calls for hands being on the wheel? Or have videos of the driver playing cards with the passenger? Or had an owner die by T-boning a truck cause the monitoring system was so easy to defeat, they did so regularly?

    We should have driver monitoring systems in cars even without ADAS.

    Depending on settings, one pedal driving will have heavy braking engaging with taking the foot off the accelerator.

    Perhaps other actions need to be trained, like hitting paddle shifters to increase the regen level during an emergency. That is something that will need practice.

    In that case, that is where good auto braking comes into play. I'd get a twinge of anxiety when engaging cruise control cause my foot wouldn't be on a pedal in case of emergency. My car now will apply brakes on its own, and even come to stops in traffic. Only need to tap the peddle to tell it to start moving again.
    Tesla was originally incorporated in Delaware. A lot companies are. Musk moved it to Texas after the court there nullified his pay package. He moved Tesla headquarters out of California cause he didn't like being told not to run a factory during a global pandemic.
     
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    Or like I say, as you focus on the dog running toward the street on your left, you didn't notice the kid about to run unto the road from your right.
    You mean FSD (Supervised). Why not use its whole name?

    See what people are saying about V12.5 driver monitoring system, don't look away for a few seconds or you'll get a warning. I think the newest update also uses the IR (for those equipped with one) to look at night and through sunglasses. On the plus side, there is no wheel nag if it can confirm you're looking at the road.

    Completely agree. All new vehicles should come with one. But what should happened if you're caught looking at your phone for example? Annoying music getting louder and louder?
     
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    idk of any studies, but it's easy to see human frailty
     
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    Most of the articles on Tesla safety are sourced from Tesla data. If the nhtsa thought they were lying they would most likely subpoena the data. Similarly knowing that could happen, Tesla wouldn't fudge as that would really destroy the company. Most articles talk about how many times safer tesla safety systems are - thusly;

    Teslas on Autopilot Are Eight Times Safer Than the Average American Car: Report - autoevolution

    One could post articles all the way up into the first quarter of 2024, but it's pretty much the same thing.
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