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i disagree. tesla's (and others) autopilot is already safer than many humans. it shouldn't be that long.
there not going to be perfect, and only when all cars are equipped with them would i be comfortable.
i'm not worried about my driving, it's the other 99%

 

Personally, I just hope that self driving cars are a thing in at most 20 years so I don't have to bother my kids to drive me somewhere lol.

 

reaction time was probably a poor description. my brain doesn't seem to be programmed the same way between the two options.
it's not the time it takes my foot to move, it's the time it takes my brain to be aware that my foot needs to move.
again, i'm speaking about myself, idk if any studies have been done.

 

A few times I had to emergency brakes, like when wolves crossed our path at night while in Autopilot. As soon as I saw them running in front of me, I went for the brake pedal, hard. Didn't have to think about it. But, with kids learning to drive with one pedal driving, they might not have the reflex we built with years of driving before one pedal driving.

 

I prefer to believe my lying eyes supervising my Full Self Driving Tesla.

BTW, "finally" is premature. Tesla Full Self Driving continues to improve and download to our Teslas. For those who want to justify their thinking, "finally" works. Like chastity, its own reward and punishment.

Bob Wilson

 

I don't think that FSD or any automated systems avoids 6 inch potholes.
But then I don't think any human can look in 4 directions at once to avoid getting hit

Mike

 

Show us the data. The full set, not just press release summaries.

 

Because California EDD (employment development department) required the Fremont plant to abide by California state labor laws and fair practices. To save money, Musk reincorporated in Texas - He didn't relocated to Mexico or Canada!!!

NTSB fines are Federal Not State fines - lets not muddy the waters and stick to the subject and facts at hand.....

 

What does FSD stand for?

Depends on the state of the driver monitoring system in the car. Tesla doesn't get the highest marks there even after using the inside camera.

How many car CEOs let themselves be filmed hands off of a Level 2 system that calls for hands being on the wheel? Or have videos of the driver playing cards with the passenger? Or had an owner die by T-boning a truck cause the monitoring system was so easy to defeat, they did so regularly?

We should have driver monitoring systems in cars even without ADAS.

Depending on settings, one pedal driving will have heavy braking engaging with taking the foot off the accelerator.

Perhaps other actions need to be trained, like hitting paddle shifters to increase the regen level during an emergency. That is something that will need practice.

In that case, that is where good auto braking comes into play. I'd get a twinge of anxiety when engaging cruise control cause my foot wouldn't be on a pedal in case of emergency. My car now will apply brakes on its own, and even come to stops in traffic. Only need to tap the peddle to tell it to start moving again.

Tesla was originally incorporated in Delaware. A lot companies are. Musk moved it to Texas after the court there nullified his pay package. He moved Tesla headquarters out of California cause he didn't like being told not to run a factory during a global pandemic.

 

Or like I say, as you focus on the dog running toward the street on your left, you didn't notice the kid about to run unto the road from your right.

You mean FSD (Supervised). Why not use its whole name?

See what people are saying about V12.5 driver monitoring system, don't look away for a few seconds or you'll get a warning. I think the newest update also uses the IR (for those equipped with one) to look at night and through sunglasses. On the plus side, there is no wheel nag if it can confirm you're looking at the road.

Completely agree. All new vehicles should come with one. But what should happened if you're caught looking at your phone for example? Annoying music getting louder and louder?

 

idk of any studies, but it's easy to see human frailty

 

Most of the articles on Tesla safety are sourced from Tesla data. If the nhtsa thought they were lying they would most likely subpoena the data. Similarly knowing that could happen, Tesla wouldn't fudge as that would really destroy the company. Most articles talk about how many times safer tesla safety systems are - thusly;

Teslas on Autopilot Are Eight Times Safer Than the Average American Car: Report - autoevolution

One could post articles all the way up into the first quarter of 2024, but it's pretty much the same thing.
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What was Tesla calling it when they started taking money for it?

And it took them years to reach that. They resisted even having a camera to watch the driver when others were already using one, and people were already taking risks with Autopilot. MobileEye ended the partnership cause Tesla put less importance on safety.

 

As I have pointed out in other threads pointing to newer Tesla self-reports, that still doesn't acknowledge, let alone address, the selection biases inherently built into AP vs national-non-AP figures.

From that article:
"The 2021 Impact Report confirms that Tesla vehicles are indeed safer when running on Autopilot."

Bad link. Contrary to that sentence, that sub-linked Autoevolution story doesn't breathe a word about AutoPilot, but discusses only comparative 2022 IIHS safety ratings.

Speaking of IIHS Top Safety Pick[+] winners, Tesla has since been falling behind. For 2023 and 2024, only the Model Y rates this award. The X, S, and 3 don't have it. Edit: In fact, contradicting that Autoevolution article, IIHS's own site shows no Teslas with Top Safety Pick awards in 2022 or 2021 either.

You are putting more faith and trust in manufacturer self-reporting than I ever do.

 

Odd that Euro NCAP rated the Model Y (and S in second position) as the safest vehicles of 2022. And you can look at the videos of all the tests they did.

 

It was called FSD Beta, not just FSD.

The 2024 Volvo CX40 Recharge Ultimate I was driving while my Model 3 was in the body shop still didn't have a camera to monitor my attentiveness. But, it might be due that it is as ineffective as Mercedes' Level 2 ADAS as shown below that they didn't include a camera. No way I would take off my eyes off the road with a system that WILL direct me towards incoming traffic or a cliff at the slight curve! If that's not enough, it silently disengages! No visible or audible warning! And NHTSA focuses on Tesla's turn signal icon size instead of that lol.

And it surely wasn't because Tesla was designing their own video-processing system, no...

 

I was looking at Hill's linked old Autoevolution article, which has a very significant problem I have called out in other threads, then also turns out to be misrepresenting another of its own articles used for reference, and also misstating IIHS ratings.

 

Having driven both camera versus mobileye it seemed impressive for what it was back then. But building one's own system makes sense from the aspect of having full control of the product and how it's implemented. You buy somebody else's system & you're forever beholden to their product(s) ...
Both systems continue to mature & maybe like VHS versus betamax versus DVD versus streaming, it will all pan out when the dust settles.
That said, if MB is strictly using mobileye? Yeah I could see why cameras work better.
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For some reason that seems very pessimistic to me. Streaming is the worst, yet there are now movies and shows that are not being put onto any physical media.

 

Tesla was selling a 'Full Self Driving' option to those with Enhanced Autopilot years before FSD Beta was released. The "Full Self-Driving Hardware on All Teslas" video was released in Oct 2016, and they started taking money for it soon after. Two years later they removed the option from their order page. Another two years go by, and they start testing FSD Beta with some of the people that paid for the option.

Musk referred to it has full self driving from the beginning. Even claimed the same for some Autopilot features.
Tesla Autopilot - Wikipedia

That video has been shown here before, maybe even in this thread. It is comparing Mercedes Level 2 ADAS to FSD. Not Mercedes Level 3, and I'm unaware of Mercedes making any claim of their Level 2 being more than what every other Level 2 ADAS by other makes is. Yet that fool is trying to use it hands free on a public road in a stunt to promote FSD.

More likely it will end up like every other car subsystem out there. Some car companies will keep it in house for whatever reason, while others will use a system developed by an auto part supply company. Many of the 48V mild hybrid systems in multiple car brands are coming from, IIRC, Continental.