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MPG and the 12 volt battery

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Technical Discussion' started by tkc100, Aug 2, 2024 at 10:00 PM.

  1. tkc100

    tkc100 Junior Member

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    I hope that I am now reporting the findings from a long journey that has come to an end. Starting out I knew very little about the OBD system within my little Prius. However, now thanks in large part to this community I know a great deal more than I did in the beginning.

    I hope that my experience and what follows will assist others.

    Sometime ago I posted a thread voicing my concerns about my lack of fuel economy.

    My troubleshooting was a process of learning and elimination. After satisfying myself that the engine was running as good as could be expected and eliminating other small things, like error in calculating my fuel economy, tires, etcetera I was led to the 12 Volt battery. The battery voltage was consistently a “little” off. That is because I was only reading the battery voltage with the engine running. The defect only showed itself when the vehicle was in the (IGN) mode and the battery was under a load. Not much of a load. I thought it was a long shot because at the time I could not figure out how a defective 12 Volt battery could affect fuel economy. Even now I only have a theory on how this might happen, but I am here to tell you a defective battery did in fact affect my fuel economy. MPG when from ≈ 32 mpg to 42 mpg HWY instantly and all that I did was change the battery. The ECU is still learning and perhaps it will even get better. See the attached file for details of the data.

    Here is my theory. The system saw the defective but not dead battery as needing to be charged and attempted to do so on a continual basis requiring the engine to run longer.

    The battery that I replaced was a Toyota battery with an 80-month prorated warranty. Supposedly, I could exchange it for a new battery for only 50% of the MSRP. When I went to our only Toyota dealership here in Yuma to replace the battery. They tested it and said it was good. I showed them the facts and figures, but according to their little machine it was good and there was nothing that they could do to help me out. To prove my point, I purchased a new Toyota battery and had them install it. Without any further alterations or changes the system began to preform properly. They told me that my diagnosis was “most probably” true but that they were incapable of exchanging the battery unless their little machine said it was bad. Go figure:mad:

    Here are some facts and figures that you may find useful.
    Toyota battery listed as the replacement in a 2007 Prius is #0054-21171-325
    Notice I said “THE” replacement. There were no other listed options.
    It is a conventional FCLA battery not an AGM.
    It is vented and may be valve regulated
    It comes with a 84 month prorated warranty.
    $165 to ≈ $185
    Battery size S46B24R CCA 325 RC 67 20 HR 45Ah ADF 325A
    The TrueStart Toyota battery is made by Johnson Control, same battery as an Interstate and are delivered to Toyota on the Interstate truck.
    They say hindsight is 20/20 and in hindsight I would have never gone to the dealership. I was enticed by the prospect of saving a little money. There are several better aftermarket batteries.
     

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  2. bisco

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    people have been reporting that the 12v has caused mpg issues here forever. others disagree, and the only proof is that mpg recovered after replacement.
    it is unfortunate that the dealer battery tester is not always accurate, or is incapable of finding the actual problem.
    glad you got it resolved.
     
  3. tkc100

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    The 32 mpg was calculated, (not the MFD or OBD) using 3 complete fill ups. Calculated removing as many variables as possible. Same fuel, same pump and same method of filling the tank.
    Perhaps I am being overly optimistic or just hoping my problem has been resolved but time will tell.
    I will report back after a couple of more tanks full of fuel and in the interim not change anything else. This may take a while because I live in a small city and don't have any trips planed until late summer, early fall.

    However I will standby my diagnosis of a failing battery regardless of what the dealer's little machine said.

    I know, 13.8 volts is on the low side of normal operation but that seems to be what the converter is set at because no matter which battery was installed (w or w/o any load) the counter voltage never exceeded or went below 13.8 as long as the system was in the ready mode. With the vehicle in the (IGN) mode the voltage of the old battery would all most immediately drop to somewhere around 10 volts with only a minimal load place on it. With the new battery fully charged (12.85 volts) and after removing any surface charge it held steady at 12.1 volts +or - a bit, with the same load, same operating conditions. The acceptable operating range for FCLA battery is 13.8 to 14.7 volts, maybe plus or minus a couple of tenths, depending on your school of thought.