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Discussion in 'Prius, Hybrid, EV and Alt-Fuel News' started by Gokhan, Dec 17, 2023.

  1. austingreen

    austingreen Senior Member

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    Speeding up beyond the set speed to pass requires changing the set speed (moving the thumb wheel) or hitting the accelerator. Otherwise FSD won't pass if the other driver sped up enough. I hit the accelerator. The system gives a warning that it will not brake (it will just bleed down to the set speed, unless there is traffic ahead and then it will brake). If you change the set speed then you need to lower it back down.

    FSD will try to change lanes before your cars ADAS, but I have found that letting it do that often has it changing too often, so I set it to minimize lane changes. Then if I want to pass I'll use my directional to tell it to change lanes.
     
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    The first time ( the extreme example described above ) happened to me I had just gotten on the I-nterstate on an 800 miler. I didn't notice I was going 55 with the DRCC set at 65 for at least 10 or 20 miles. And I didn't notice any indicators on the normal DRCC screens either. Will FSD behave like that too, ie: not give any indication that the cruise set speed is slowly decreasing?

    I wouldn't have even noticed ( or remembered especially the next couple times it happened ) if the other driver(s) had let me pass at my set speed.
     
  3. Trollbait

    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    We do need better data. That's why NHTSA finally started collecting the info on them. Sooner would have been nicer, and the collection rate isn't the same for all, but it is better than trusting the manufacturers with nontransparent methods.

    Humans are lazy and complacent in general, and US drivers are poorly trained. they receive less training than an airplane pilot for visual only rules, let alone instrument flying and autopilot. Yet we give them that equivalent with these ADAS without more than putting an owner's manual in the glove box. We can say the driver is the one ultimately in control, but that doesn't change the possibility of the better working systems leading to more drivers overestimating the capabilities of the system without adequate driver minders.

    A post here talked about driving a Tesla on FSD into the setting sun while in a down pour. Those are both situations the Tesla manual warns against using the ADAS in. Yet the poster praised how well it worked. Are the cameras immune to sun glare? Does the system know to be easier in applying brakes in poor weather? Does it know what to do if hydroplaning occurs? Can it even tell if it is hydroplaning?

    While the total numbers may just look worse for Tesla than the actual rate, they are the ones talking up the capabilities of the ADAS, named it Autopilot against the wishes of their engineers, and been promising full self driving for years. You called it puffery before, but that can have impact on the public consciousness when at scale.

    Kudos to Mercedes to being honest and calling their system Level 3. That's the ADAS level where hands off and the driver is a supervisor under limited conditions happens. FSD, TJA, BlueCruise, Super Cruise, and whoever else using Level 2 for that are lying.