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Discussion in 'Prius, Hybrid, EV and Alt-Fuel News' started by bwilson4web, Aug 8, 2024 at 7:53 AM.

  1. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    Q2 2024

    In the 2nd quarter, we recorded one crash for every 6.88 million miles driven in which drivers were using Autopilot technology. For drivers who were not using Autopilot technology, we recorded one crash for every 1.45 million miles driven. By comparison, the most recent data available from NHTSA and FHWA (from 2022) shows that in the United States there was an automobile crash approximately every 670,000 miles.

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    I wish they included Full Self Driving miles.

    Bob Wilson
     

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    So probably people are using autopilot more on highways where you get more miles without crashes?
     
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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    Like others adaptive cruise control and lane keeping, Autopilot can work at slower speeds, but without the stop reading abilities of FSD, most people likely only use it on highways and stretches of road without stops.
     
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    This is called "selection bias". It has been pointed out for years, but we still aren't getting the data transparency needed to gauge or address it.
     
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    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    No problem. I paid $1,200 in 2019 for AutoPilot and after 3 weeks, used it pretty much all the time. My testing revealed AutoPilot problems and they went away after my retesting after each update. Overtime, AutoPilot got better and better. But I can only speak to my use and experience.

    If other choose to project something else, no problem. AutoPilot is standard on all Teslas and that is a good thing. I prefer observation over speculation.

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    Autopilot do read stop signs and red lights but will only warn you, not stop. I wish they included that functionality to manual driving too. It could prevent so many t-boning.
     
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    I use it on highways and regional roads unless the traffic speed on those is faster than 10 km/h over the speed limit (hard limit by AP on roads other than highways), then it's just TACC. I tried the Volvo lane assist on those same regional roads and after a few km, I disengaged it as it can't follow the curves on those roads.
     
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    I think the selection bias has been with each single autopilot crash, people say autopilot has been killing people. Instead with and without autopilot are much safer than the average car. We have a whole thread assuming that bad assumption.

    Most teslas are newer cars, and older cars may be much less safe. Tesla buyers appear to be more affluent which may make them safer drivers. What can not be said is autopilot is unsafe because it has been involved in a tiny percentage of accidents where the driver should have taken over. I don't know if teslas are more or less safe than a new toyota with safety sense, but certainly autopilot is not killing the huge percentage of people in the database.

    Investigation has nothing to do with if it was subject to lawsuits. Normally in wrongful traffic deaths people go after the driver and car company, as the car company has more money. But the incidents I have read about the driver should have been paying more attention so its unlikely autopilot is at fault.