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Cleaned EGR valve, not sure if full circuit is needed. 111k miles

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  1. gboss

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    I cleaned the EGR valve today to gauge whether the EGR system seems bad enough to go through with a full cleaning circuit (cooler, intake, etc.). What do you guys think?

    You can see that it looks caked in carbon before cleaning, but honestly after spraying it with parts cleaner and running a shop rag through it...it was clean and with very little sediment that came off (last 2 pictures). Visually it looked caked, but in reality it was just a thin layer of carbon. I think the revised welding line makes the first picture seem like it is caked on there, but that is just the welding line lightly dusted. Most of the sediment appeared around contact points of the valve/EGR system, the inside wasn't terrible.

    As long as the 96% of the EGR piping is supplying flow, does the system really need to be cleaned? Maybe the cooler is clogged but based on the valve, I'm guessing it's not. What do you all think, should I clean the cooler or just let it be and maybe settle for cleaning the intake while I'm already in here?
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    How many miles was on this Valve?
     
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    I would guess 111k unless the previous owner did a replacement prior to 70k. I have no way of knowing for sure.
     
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    the cooler is the most important part. 2nd are the little holes in the intake
    manifold the exhaust gas flows through.
    Both have tiny passages that get clogged quicker.

    The best idea is to clean it before it gets clogged. Like changing the engine oil
    before it fails.

     
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    I’m guessing the only component removed was the pipe between the EGR valve and intake manifold? Or did you manage to have the EGR valve in your hands?

    111k miles, it’s time. Get the whole thing done, intake manifold as well. See top two links in my signature on a phone turn it landscape to see signatures).
     
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    Yup, I’m doing that now. The intake on the block is crazy caked in carbon but I’m not sure what to do because I dont want to hit or spray the injectors (I bet those are covered too if the block itself is soaked in oil and carbon, but I haven’t seen this mentioned in the EGR circuit on the threads). The manifold itself I sprayed with cleaner and rinsed, I'm sure I didn't get everything on the internals but the inlets look fine.

    The gasket on the manifold seems fine but so I guess I’ll just reuse it until 200k, but will replace it if I risk damaging the intake performance.
     

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    I use a .22 cal bore brush on me battery powered drill, with gunk. Takes about 15 seconds
    for each port....
     
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    On the head too? I'm not sure how to get that thing clean without hitting the injector or dropping carbon into the chambers,=.
     
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    No, I used the bore brush to clear out the egr holes in the manifold.
    I just used carb cleaner with a rag to clean the head intake ports.

    You won't hurt the injectors unless you bang them hard with something hard....
    Your fingers and rag.
     
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    Yes, the intakes look nasty. For sure you have to clean the small egr passages at the bottom of the each intake opening on the intake manifold.

    I used nylon brushes designed to clean stainless steel drinking straws and simple green or purple degreaser.

    Your EGR cooler is most definitely clogged up with oily carbon gunk.

    An oil catch can will help keep oil from going through the combustion process.

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    I'm going to do the cooler this weekend. Good call on the nylon brushes, I sprayed the intake manifold's small EGR passages out with brake cleaner too.

    Based on my research I'm going to skip the oil catch can, doesn't seem like oil passing through is bad for the system as it should burn and it also requires the driver to change the can every 2k or so...not ideal if I ever sell the car.
     
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    I've got a new EGR valve kit. Wondering how long it's going to take me to replace it and clean the intake manifold? Am I better off picking up a used manifold off Ebay so I can use it and clean my original as a spare?
     
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    Cleaning intake manifold is relatively easy. Mostly wet/oil sludge. The small EGR passages get dry carbon build up, but relatively easy to access, cleanable with brake cleaner and small diameter tube brush.

    The one on the right (attached) is what I've used for those small passages, with squirts of brake cleaner. It's about 1/4" OD, advertised as being for those stainless steel drinking straws. Excuse the cobwebs, it's been a couple of years. :)

    For the main EGR gallery in the intake manifold I mostly used a grabber wand with a wad of rag clamped in it. With brake cleaner.

    Environmental tactic: collect the brake cleaner in a drip pan, and if it's sufficient to not evaporate, pour it over a small tray of kitty litter, let it vape off on the back porch. Stir occasionally. After about a week bag and dispose in garbage, relatively clean.
     

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    I found the intake manifold removal / clean to be very straightforward. I used blue painter's tape to mark off all the detached pipes so I can easily remember what needs to be reattached. Cleaning the manifold: used brake cleaner, and old toothbrush to scrub, and a pipe brush for the small EGR ports on the manifold itself (you can also use one of those wooden kitchen skewers, a nail, or a 7/32" drill bit in these small holes). For the intake on the engine head itself I used the toothbrush soaked in brake cleaner and then used very fine sandpaper to remove the caked carbon where the gasket will sit. Replaced the intake gasket and the EGR valve gasket. Be sure to rinse out the manifold with water when you're done and let it dry in the sun.

    It sounds like a lot but the intake manifold itself was actually very easy and quick. I'm going for the EGR cooler now and it's a pain.
     
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    I'd avoid that step, just blow it dry. Introducing water is washing hydrocarbons somewhere: into your yard soil, down the street, down the drain. Wherever it goes it's not good.

    Just remove it, restore the car to stock? If you've cut the PCV hose, a replacement is about $10.
     

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    I rinse it while it sits inside an oil pan, easy enough to store/dispose the liquid afterward. Used a watering can for rinsing as I don't have a hose available.