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Red Triangle keeps coming on intermittently

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by AnnaBiJou, Aug 21, 2024 at 11:06 PM.

  1. AnnaBiJou

    AnnaBiJou Junior Member

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    Hello, this is my first time posting here so please go easy on me.
    I own a 2008 Gen2 Prius with 300,000 miles on it, it's been throwing a red triangle intermittently for over 2 years. I have a Torque Pro app and an OBD2 meter, which I found one code, a MAF Sensor error. The hose clamp underneath was loose, so I tightened that, and I replaced the MAF Sensor around March, which got rid of the Check Engine light and the code. Using the OBD2 meter now, even when there's a red triangle, there are no codes.

    The red triangle did not stop though, which kept coming and going, I tried replacing the wire under the fuse box that I read fixed it for someone else on here, but I may of done a bad job of it. There is no reliable way to get the triangle to trigger, it's entirely random. The car does burn through oil pretty quick, roughly 1 quart in between oil changes, but I check and top it up regularly, the oil can't be the issue.

    I attached pictures of the torque apps readings, from what I can tell the battery blocks are all in good health, they are running hot maybe? The temperature I got off of the torque app was reading in the 90s, and during a drive, I had someone else watch the readings as I drove, the temperature went above 100 degrees. I'm not sure what a normal battery temp is.

    The engine overspeeds when the battery is entirely full, fairly often going down shorter downhills, when years ago, it would only overspeed on long hills like a mountain.
    Yes I've taken it to a dealer, no it hasn't acted up when I could get it there, not until today, but he only used an engine OBD meter, not hybrid battery compatible, it didn't catch any codes either.

    I don't know what else to do at this point, I've tried so many things, looked up so many suggestions and guides on how to fix this and nothing has worked.
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    I will provide more info if need be, thank you. ​
     
  2. MAX2

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    Try using special applications for your Techstream for computer/+a good scanner or a special Mini-VCI
    There is an error in the hybrid system and your application does not see it.
    Dr.Prius can try to find the error DTC

    How long ago did you change the 12V battery?
    What voltage does it hold before turning on the car in the morning?
     
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    Hello and welcome to PriusChat!

    Generally the "master warning light" (Red Triangle of Death) is triggered by a fault in the hybrid drive system. Torque is a handy app, but it is very limited and can only "talk" to a couple of the 15 or so systems in a Gen2 Prius.

    You need a more capable scantool to get codes and data from all systems. Here's a thread that reviews several scantool apps and devices.
    (The Autel AP200 is a good choice for "basic" diagnostics)

    https://priuschat.com/index.php?posts/3290690

    Posted via the PriusChat mobile app.
     
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    I only know of two ways to get that triangle master warning without codes:

    1) use a code reader that can't actually read all the codes out of a Prius- meaning there are codes, but your reader is blind to them.
    2) low oil pressure.


    Low oil pressure is not the same thing as low oil level. Low level cannot trigger any alarm in a Prius- though it can lead to low pressure, and low pressure will trigger the warning triangle alarm.

    Levels are read by you when you pull the dipstick.

    Pressure is read by a spring-loaded pressure switch- and there could possibly be a problem with the pressure, and it could just be a lousy switch.
     
  5. AnnaBiJou

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    The 12V battery was changed two years ago, and doing the voltage self check, the first reading was 11.9v, the second with lights on was 11.6v, and the third with the car all the way on was 14.1v.
     
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    get a free 12 volt load test at many auto parts stores
     
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    If I'm not mistaken, gen 4 did introduce an oil level sensor and an alarm for low oil level. Older Prius gens can only detect low pressure.
     
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    That sounds like a very discharged and/or bad battery. The MFD test isn't all that great because turning on the car to that extent will load the battery somewhat, which drops the voltage a little on a good battery, and potentially a lot on a bad battery. It should be more like 12.5V or higher on a good battery. The 14.1V when the car is running is coming from the inverter's 12V output, which is charging the 12V battery - it tells you the car thinks the 12V needs to be charged, and even that it needs to be charged a medium amount, but that's it.

    Better to get a multimeter and measure the voltage at the jump point under the hood in the morning after leaving the hood unlatched (not open, just unlatched) over night. The point being that you don't want to unlock the doors or especially open the driver's door just to pull the hood release, as it wakes up the car's computers and the load changes the battery reading (temporarily). I usually use one of the unpainted bolts on the inverter for the ground test lead. Opening the unlatched hood doesn't trigger any activity. In theory some cars might have on open hood sensor that would trigger, but I don't think that option was installed in very many cars. It isn't in mine. A cheap multimeter is around $10 (at Harbor Freight) and a much better one can be had for around $50 (not at HF, although they sell some that cost that much). The leads on the cheap multimeters are often the first thing to go, which can lead to faulty readings.

    You definitely need a better OBD2 reader, there should be a code to go with that triangle, and what you have cannot retrieve it.

    How old is the inverter pump? They tend to go out at 60k miles (plus or minus a lot). If yours is working poorly or not at all the inverter will overheat and the triangle will light up. At least in the summer. In the winter you could certainly drive around in a suburban environment and never know that it is out, except maybe when driving on the highway. Anyway, with the car running take the lid off the coolant tank that sits next to the inverter (the skinny one with pink fluid, on the opposite side of the inverter from the fuse box) and see if the fluid is moving. NOT the radiator cap or radiator overflow tank - opening those on a warmed up car would be a really bad idea!