1. Attachments are working again! Check out this thread for more details and to report any other bugs.

2024 hurricanes

Discussion in 'Environmental Discussion' started by tochatihu, Apr 4, 2024.

  1. tochatihu

    tochatihu Senior Member

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2004
    9,081
    3,538
    0
    Location:
    Kunming Yunnan China
    Vehicle:
    2001 Prius
    On N Pacific side, Yagi caused hundreds of deaths in Vietnam and Myanmar, after relatively light touches on Philippines and China.

    N Atl season is a week past midpoint, here's the score. Two tropical storms (Alberto and Chris), three hurricanes (Debby, Ernesto, Francine) and one major hurricane (Beryl). If second half is no larger, the several and similar predictions will prove to have been excessive.
     
  2. bisco

    bisco cookie crumbler

    Joined:
    May 11, 2005
    109,609
    49,821
    0
    Location:
    boston
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    fingers crossed
     
  3. Trollbait

    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2006
    22,338
    11,685
    0
    Location:
    eastern Pennsylvania
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Does the no name storm not count?
     
  4. tochatihu

    tochatihu Senior Member

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2004
    9,081
    3,538
    0
    Location:
    Kunming Yunnan China
    Vehicle:
    2001 Prius
    No name 2024 brought a lot of rain to N Carolina and inland. No name because not enough wind in a coherent structure. Such are not 'counted' but they surely have effects.

    So one could say there is a problem of definition. Defining, predicting and tracking tropical storms and their stronger subsets does not consider the weaker ones.

    ==
    In the broadest sense, some of water evaporated from oceans falls on land. That transfer is intensified during various seasons at different ocean margins. At latitudes where Coriolis forces are effective, relatively compact structures (hurricanes with their several other names) focus the bad news. Those that come ashore get all the attention :)

    What fraction of marine -> land water transfer occurs by way of named storms? I don't know if that has been assessed. What fraction of marine -> land wind energy transfer occurs by way of named storms? Same answer but here I dare to guess it is a large majority.
     
  5. wxman

    wxman Active Member

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2008
    623
    224
    0
    Location:
    Tennessee
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    I don't think the NC event ever had significant tropical characteristics, did it?

    Tropical systems are characterized by having warm-core lows, which it never achieved as far as I know.
     
  6. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2005
    27,522
    15,596
    0
    Location:
    Huntsville AL
    Vehicle:
    2018 Tesla Model 3
    Model:
    Prime Plus
    Moving from near sea level, Washington DC, to 600 ft higher, the windward side of the Appalachian Mountains has worked out well. Huntsville is in the Tennessee Valley with foot hills on both sides which tends to channel tornadoes away from my neighborhood (no guarantees!) So upslope rain provides plenty of river water even during drought conditions.

    Bob Wilson
     
  7. tochatihu

    tochatihu Senior Member

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2004
    9,081
    3,538
    0
    Location:
    Kunming Yunnan China
    Vehicle:
    2001 Prius
  8. tochatihu

    tochatihu Senior Member

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2004
    9,081
    3,538
    0
    Location:
    Kunming Yunnan China
    Vehicle:
    2001 Prius
    Storm not yet strong enough for name (will be Helene) approaches FL panhandle Thurs/Fri. It will probably make landfall as category 3. Storm surge, rain and heavy winds. This would be the time for prep., moving military aircraft away, and moving moored ships away.

    It would be unfortunate if this one gets underestimated. "We had no way of knowing..." You know the drill.

    It is likely to be moving fast when it hits. This means that east of centerline will get wind speed added and west will have less.

    Y'all are not going to like this one.
     
  9. wxman

    wxman Active Member

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2008
    623
    224
    0
    Location:
    Tennessee
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    Helene is now officially a tropical storm. Model projections are in reasonable good agreement on track to landfall, but are in poor agreement with the intensity as of 12Z...

    Current Storm Information | Tropical Tidbits
     
  10. tochatihu

    tochatihu Senior Member

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2004
    9,081
    3,538
    0
    Location:
    Kunming Yunnan China
    Vehicle:
    2001 Prius
    H. Helene is getting abundant attention. Not surprising (?) that's bigger in US media than such storms of 2024 elsewhere.

    With this level of attention, there may be some disappointment if coastal homes and boats do not get surged away, and > a million do not get de electrified for a chunk of time. Sorry it has come to this.

    Anyway, extra points if you see a field report that does not include wind-whipped palm fronds*. We''ll find a way to pilfer 'likes' from @bisco.

    *Palm fronds can avoid detachment at 160 miles/hr; 71 meters per second. This is both aerodynamically way out there, and makes good video. If you ever see a palm frond 'blown off by wind', it was dead yesterday. This freak of biomechanics never gets its due during storm coverage.
     
  11. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2005
    27,522
    15,596
    0
    Location:
    Huntsville AL
    Vehicle:
    2018 Tesla Model 3
    Model:
    Prime Plus
    Local weather reporters are showing models that predict substantial rain to my part of Alabama:
    upload_2024-9-26_3-27-34.png

    Bob Wilson
     
  12. tochatihu

    tochatihu Senior Member

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2004
    9,081
    3,538
    0
    Location:
    Kunming Yunnan China
    Vehicle:
    2001 Prius
    This one will exercise all the models, aside from its effects on the ground. the tracking map above gives no hint of rain in TN/NC Smoky mtns. A lot. Also I heard that eye circulation will persist inland as far as Atlanta, which would be amazing. Fast forward velocity being key for that.

    Entire storm system is getting very large. It is already 'feeling' the rugosity of Southeastern US. Of which little is as flat as Florida.
     
  13. tochatihu

    tochatihu Senior Member

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2004
    9,081
    3,538
    0
    Location:
    Kunming Yunnan China
    Vehicle:
    2001 Prius
    I went to Flightaware to see the storm avoidance pattern. Just now there are several large helicopters going out to the Gulf. I guess evacuating offshore drill rigs.
     
  14. bisco

    bisco cookie crumbler

    Joined:
    May 11, 2005
    109,609
    49,821
    0
    Location:
    boston
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    our daughter is at a trade show in atlanta. it's already raining, the roof is leaking, with the promise of more to come.
    bil is in nashville, projected path.