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Car owners dialing back their odometers are rare, but it does happen. If you sell your car to a professional dealership, they'll usually run a Carfax or equivalent, before making an offer on the car. If your the original owner of the car since new, It'll be much more difficult to determine a roll-back; unless some service facility entered the odometer mileage. I'm seeing a lot more blank odometer readings from service facilities. You know they have those number, otherwise how do they enforce warranties on the work they performed?
IMHO; taxes on fuel usage; by the gallon is the fairest way of doing this. Since all EV's are equipped with ECUs; they can easily transmit annual mileage to DMV and pay accordingly or readings can be taken on annual safety or service checks. Larger heavier commercial automobiles that do the majority of the damage to the roads are usually less fuel efficient; therefore burn more petroleum products. An incentive to modernize and get more fuel efficient. Cyber tractor trailer rigs would be in consistent contact with home base; so the EV charge by miles setup would also work here with an add-on for payload - heavier the rig, more damage to the road. Truck scales and power band usage may be used to filter out cheaters.

Just my 2-cents on the matter.....

 

Acknowledging the problem of getting the mileage, I would go by tire count, 2-18. That would also cover trailers.

Weight would be nice but it would be a 'heavy lift' for most DMV clerks and departments.

Bob Wilson

 

$30/billion fed fuel tax
$17.6 billion Trump tariffs on fuel

makes the $1b EV fine seem pretty small and ineffective

The real answer for Wisconsin is
1. Permanent plates cost more initially, pay once then never again but can’t drive January without paid marks
2. Nobody cares because Wisconsins permanent plates if driven in other states results in being continuously pulled over but not fined. AKA, you would get caught if you lie.
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next,
if we get over the fact a federal registration tax on privately owned cars that never leave their respective states is illegal , (heck my truck hasn’t touched a highway in a decade
when “other” administrations have explored “federal “ anything with vehicles they quickly found that even the most basic implementations so they even understand which cars are registered to who and where quickly ventured into the 10’s of billions of dollars just to setup, more competent variations like tracking went into the $100’s of billions with massive revolving costs that are on par with the irs due to expected non-compliance.

all other administrations simply weren’t stupid enough to waste money on a national vehicle fee that never makes any money (we would have always had national fees if it wasn’t extraordinarily problematic trying to align 51 organizations data none of which use any of the same tools, procedures, systems or software )

nothing like adding more big government.

It’s been said all road funding issues would be eliminated by a 1% supply tax on liquid fuels, uh oh, can’t do that though might minorly inconvenience a corporation.
Considering we already have tarriffs might as well say road fees are dwarfed by tarriff and no longer necessary at the fed level. I like how the party of low taxes does the opposite

 

Unfortunately, there is a lot of injustice in this world and there will not be equal equality for everyone.

For a long time, electric car owners only received discounts and benefits when driving on roads whose repairs were paid for by owners of diesel and gasoline cars.

My proposal: all vehicle owners should buy some kind of license for driving within the state and a second license for driving on federal highways, valid for a week, month, quarter, year. If a car is found on the road without a license, the fine is 30-50 times the cost of the license.

But I believe that this proposal may also have its weaknesses.

 

is that a bad thing? given what's been decided in the past ! only you can decide, what's what.

al gor ythm says multi quotes copied, second time the buttons clicked? what's this? sheet !!
double && triple
checking, is this legal? is this within our terms?

 

Starting with the fact that a large part of the population lives and/or commutes to work on the 3-digit Interstates that circle in and around every major city and metro area so it would be redundant to have to pay fees to two bureaucracies

Mike

 

The above is a myth and hasn’t been true since the 1960’s

First gas and diesel vehicles do not pay even close to a majority of road costs, subtract semis and about 15% of road funding comes from private vehicles.
Include all vehicles including semis and in my state 40% of road funding is covered by fuel tax.

that is nowhere near most.

over 39 states overcharge EVs a road fee of up to $400 with a larger but indeterminate number also charging “fuel tax” on charge stations.

These fees exceed the gas tax paid by a similar car by a long mile.

So simply put we already have too many inefficient taxes, if roads aren’t funded it’s a willpower issue not a tax issue.

So you might wonder where does the road funding come from if under half comes from registration + fuel tax?

General funds, which is the least regressive way of paying for roads because everyone pays, including people who don’t even own a car or drive.

 

MA just capitulated on mandatory ev sales percentages

 

I can't say the same is for all states and counties, but my county mainly gets funds from Colorado's Highway User Tax Fund (HUTF) which was set in 1991 and then in 1995 and is currently a flat rate of 40 cents per gallon of gasoline, which is distributed to each county proportionally per capita (not road use or amount of road).

The county is prohibited from using property tax due to a ballot voted on back in 1979, so this entitles the county to financial aid from a federal program called Payment in Lieu of Taxes (PILT) which is intended to compensate counties containing large amounts of public land for the loss of property tax revenue that would otherwise be collected. But this is subject to congressional approval and so therefore varies with each year.

There are a few other taxes that the county can sometimes get money for road maintenance and repair, but these vary a lot and don't get a lot of money. At any rate, the local paper says the county is way behind in road repair funds and other than the PILT I didn't see anything that says there are funds from the federal government for roads around here, unless the state highways or local municipalities get other types of funds. I can only tell you what the paper says about the county.

 

Our counties level wheel taxes which were intended to be temporary and affect semis, dumps, farm and trailer owners but instead are used permanently to jack up moped and passenger car registration costs for some reason.

For years my truck was $85 but my cars were over $200 because my state and local entities are retarded.

Truck is still cheaper, just not as much.

 

And add to that the federal government taxing a flat rate for EVs and hybrids?

This is why I just need to be a sheeple and forget looking at reality. Reality is depressing.

 

No objection to a tax based on miles driven that collects the difference in fuel taxes that might have been collected on a 20 MPG car to level up an EV or PHEV provided they go directly to the state for the sole purpose of adding to the state contribution to road repairs. But the house tax proposals are just a way of subsidizing the vanity trucks and big rigs. Could be imposed by the state or the FEDs but not both.

This is just the MAGA crowd's way of flipping the bird at the green crowd. And making the numbers look less horrible in their tax bill.

I went hybrid for economic reasons. The added taxes would sure take away lots of that incentive.

For reference, my fuel costs are averaging right at $500 a year and my wife's slightly less. So I'm not currently contributing enough in fuel taxes it fill a single pothole. (Costs I am familiar with as a HOA director because we authorize pothole and root pops fillings yearly.)

 

Yeah its funny how some areas are more sensitive than others. I've been lucky to visit most of the US and a lot of the EU. Take Cali... they dont have to worry or plan for snow removal or heating oil costs to stay warm through the winter. Pellets for the pellet stove or firewood for the fireplace... just congestion upon congestion upon urban sprall due to everybody wanting the great weather. Hawaii...same but more isolated.. NY/NJ Jersey City/Manhattan...UNREAL driving worse potholes I've ever seen...third world Taipai or most Cities in China....(miami is close with south beach being quite rough. Colorado was beautiful and home...until it wasn't drugs and bad influx made it unsafe...but property taxes were reasonable....similar to central FL. (those days are gone now all over) TN being the latest influx. SC,NC.GA growing like mad unsure of cost of living there. So it is you get what you pay for...great weather in Cali comes with a higher cost of living...same in HI,FL and AZ from relatives there. Now in Kansas...I'ts hot, buggy, muggy, flat, boring...but safe. no pot holes, very very little crime, top 1 percent of public schools. Even better private education and a wealth of old money that invested in the infrastructure before GREED ruled. Now I'm taxed (heavily) (Think NY/NJ)..but humans are kind and don't road rage. Real estate has grown but not exploded (quite as bad).Kansas is not known to be a EV state but the little bubble I'm in is quietly paying a lot for a great social infrastructure. I think that was the plan for most cities when they were built. Where did they go wrong? Leadership or shortsighted voters?

 

Removal? I guess you've never heard of Lake Tahoe or Yosemite. We celebrate snow and try and collect as much as we can every year...far up in the mountains where it is optional to go.

Mike

 

True - we've skied Mamouth on 4th of July! Yea - it's gravely that late into the year - but it is still snow

 

My understanding is snow is your water reservoir for the warmer months.

Bob Wilson

 

Various legislatures including my own legitimize high EV fees using commentary that “the average driver uses $5000 a year in fuel”.
I had a hard time figuring out where they came up with such an ideotic number then…



First off what is a household? Second why does an entire household usage apply to a single car?

 

Census Glossary

A Household equates to an individual car because it supports their bill.