SARS-CoV-2 Coronavirus (COVID-19)

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  1. bisco

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    Dying in large numbers isn’t the best way to develop herd immunity, imo
     
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    I don't happen to know offhand whether getting smallpox also risks those effects. They're definitely reported as effects you risk from getting COVID.
     
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    I've heard of more than one person who will not get the flu shot because it gives them.........the flu.
    Of course nobody throws shade at them because influenza is not a political disease.

    I do not think that anyone in this forum fits these categories except for me....someone who is a "vax denier" by MSM standards.
    (Believes in vaccinations, including mandated vaccines under certain "unprecedented" circumstances....)
     
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    It is a monoclonal antibody that makes use of the immune system to fight some specific forms of lung cancer.Perhapsm because it taxes the body, you are more susceptible to catching COVID-19. The drub does not say it weakens the immune system though.
     
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    I believe all that is saying is that patients on the drug in the trials caught COVID-19 statistically more than those on the placebo. Perhaps the drug does make people more susceptible to getting the infection, or perhaps it was a fluke, like a bunch of those on it attended a superspreader event.

    Edit: We are also talking about a treatment for lung cancer. The cough and fever under serious side effects can be from flu, cold, or any other respiratory infection. COVID was probably the only one identified through testing.
     
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    Chemotherapy definitely wipes out a body's immune system making you susceptible to most everything that you can get. When my better ½ was in chemo, she contracted C diff. It can sometimes be fatal as your body dehydrates from gut conditions - where all bacteria are all wiped out, while the C diff continues to thrive - unabated by all the bacteria that would otherwise keep it in check.
     
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    This is not normal Chemotherapy though. Chemotherapy generally tries to kill the cancer cells and spare most of the non-cancerous ones. This works differently.
     
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    It's done in conjunction with chemotherapy; specifically, carboplatin + pemetrexed
     
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    That is one way. I know of a couple of others but my wife has done one cycle so far of this one. the chemotherapy is only given during the first week of that cycle and the side effects listed were for that drug alone. there is another combination known to induce blood clots.
     
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    An ordinary mask is about as effective as a chain link fence is at keeping out the mosquitos.
    I don't see anything fraudulent in that ad. They did some sort of study where they asked doctors which cigarette they smoked. And the result was that most doctors who smoked chose Camels. There is no mention of what happened to those doctors. Odds are that they suffered cancer and other diseases at the same rate as anyone else who smoked. But fraud, no. Just promotion.

    When I attended a vitamin D seminar back in about 2008, there was a scientist who did a formal study comparing people who got a supplement of 4,000 IU D3 compared to those who didn't. I don't actually know the results beyond nobody had any bad effects. What really caught my attention was that 4,000 IU was the upper limit of what he could get past an ethics panel. do not know what the ethics panel limit is today, but 5,000 IU is sold at Costco, and I have my choice of several brands at 50,000 IU at Amazon. The biology hasn't changed, but the business has.

    As far as I know, there haven't been any major studies looking at the effect of 50,000 IU. A couple of individual doctors who've tried it successfully, but no studies. If you don't study something, how do you manage to claim the effects of that something.

    Best I've found is Dr Somerville's experience with 30,000 IU D3 per day. Something like 3,000 of his patients got that. According to him, there is a genetic defect in about 1/600 people who can't process such a high dose. And the quantity in his group of 3000 the number was zero. His book, "The Optimal Dose", is available on Amazon.

    The doctor who put me on 50,000 IU D3 put out quite a number of YouTube videos. I just found the only one I know of where he mentions the actual dosage. It's 50,000 to 300,000 IU. I got the bottom end of what he recommended. Here's that video:

     
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    Hi Rob,

    Yeah, they surveyed 1000 doctors and 990 didn't smoke and of the other 10, 3 said Camel and 1 or 2 named other brand. And, by the way, they sent a pack of Camels along with each survey.

    Reality is much grimmer than that, here is what ChatGPT estimates
    Decade Estimated % of Doctors Who Smoked
    1900 30%
    1910 35%
    1920 40%
    1930 55%
    1940 60%
    1950 45%
    1960 30%
    1970 20%
    1980 10%
    1990 5%
    2000 3%
    2010 2%
    2020 1%

    Mike
     
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    i think i see an opportunity for employment with the rfk jr team
     
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    There are plenty of credentialed doctors/scientists who are offended by the pharma dominance. The International Society for Orthomolecular Medicine has a number of members that I really respect. The AMA is mostly a political organization that has, shall I say, supported treatments such as Camels. RFK has about another three years in power, and doctors who align with him still need to lay low in order to not catch blowback after his term. Hopefully he can restore some level of doctors using their judgement instead of just following orders from bureaucrats.
     
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    agree on pharma, but clinical trials are the only way to prove anything, or at least show the majority of results overtime.
    very little in medicine is perfect, but i don't see the alternative
     
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    It has often been reported here that vaccinations produce variable results. Referring to clinical studies, population assessments, and personal experiences.


    This ought to bring us to the notion of biodiversity, but often it does not. Besides counting species in a place, biodiversity refers to genetic and epigenetic variation within species. It seems perfectly reasonable to general public that species composed of genetically identical individuals are particularly susceptible to disease. An example of this is Cavendish bananas (which are all clones) and Fusarium wilt.


    A species with high (internal) biodiversity will respond variably to disease infections or their treatments. This appears to be a biological certainty, but somehow in the contexts of COVID infections or the corresponding vaccinations, it surprises some. Even less logically, it is taken as evidence for vaccines being ineffective.


    Readers are always free to doubt things I say. But do not doubt this: if any medical treatment affected all individuals exactly the same, it would show a lack of biodiversity. That would be a terrible thing for humans or any other species presenting themselves as clones.
     
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    I like my doctor/GP. But is she an expert in all fields? No. Does she have time to research and read the results of clinical trials? I doubt it. Is she up on the latest cell manipulation techniques? Again I doubt it. She is human and seeing patients every day doesn't leave much time for such specialization. I suspect she gets her advice from experts in condensed form, at least I hope she does. She recommends getting a Covid booster this season. We agree on this, not politics or religion. If she based her opinion on those, she wouldn't be recommending the way she does.
     
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    Yet...unproven, ineffective solutions were forced on us as if there was no biodiversity.
     
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    So, what happened to cases, hospitalizations, and deaths after those unproven, ineffective solutions were forced on us?

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    It seems easy to forget refrigerator trucks parked outside morgues as soon as they haven't been there for a while.
     
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