Question-2025 Prius in EV Mode: Reply quickly!

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    I am not adding extra stops on the way home. I have always made it home with greater than 10% of my battery remaining (charging only at home, mostly dependent on how fast I drive my 20.6 miles to work and back). I was commenting on sampling the solar charger power at various times in the day (getting in my car, not going anywhere, several times a day just to see how much solar energy it is receiving). What I’ve learned is that it really needs to be direct sunlight to get 185W. Thus, I don’t think I could ever get 6 hours of 185W to make like 5 miles (or wherever some people have claimed ).

    I’m still quite happy getting what I get (3 miles). I think my favorite part is that when I’m driving in sunlight it’s directly helping me use less electricity for the air conditioning to get a longer range.

    I can’t do solar panels at home. I live in a town home and that is against the rules (at least I think it is). When it gets colder and the battery is less efficient I’m sure I will start plugging in at work too (I wish we had electric car charging spots but we don’t. We just a few outlets I’ve been given permission to use). Right now I don’t need to and it is awesome that the solar panel provides a little bit of padding.

    Tonight my family is going to a restaurant that 14 miles from my house and requires me to drive on the interstate. It’s so awesome because my 2012 wouldn’t be able to even get me all the way in one direction on electricity (nor could I drive 65mph without turning on the gas engine). With my 2025 version I can get all the way there and back even with a bit of time on the interstate. This is great fun! I’m almost glad I hit a deer and totaled my 2012 PHEV!
     
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    I am most disappointed tonight as I used some gas when I was driving on the freeway. I didn’t even know that I did so until I looked at the most recent mpg values. Could I have…

    1) Accelerated too quickly?
    2) Driven too fast?

    Argh! I thought it would be very hard to accidentally turn on the gas motor. I want to burn no gas!
     
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    Put it in EV mode and that’s it. It’ll still switch but only after the battery is run down.


    iPhone ?
     
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    If it is in ev only mode the only way for the ice motor to turn on would be to run out of battery.
     
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    You probably exceeded the maximum BEV-mode speed, which is 84 mph (135 km/h) in both Gen 4 PHEV and Gen 5 PHEV.

    ■Gasoline engine operation in
    EV mode or AUTO EV/HV mode
    Even if there is a sufficient amount
    of electricity remaining in the hybrid
    battery (traction battery) and EV
    driving range (P.155) is being displayed
    on the meter, EV driving
    (driving using only the electric
    motor) may be canceled and both
    gasoline engine and electric motor
    are used depending on the situation
    (EV driving will be returned to automatically
    after EV driving becomes
    possible again).
    EV driving may be canceled automatically
    in the following circumstances*1:
    ●When vehicle speed is more than
    approximately 84 mph (135 km/h).
    ●When power is needed temporarily,
    for example when the accelerator
    pedal is depressed firmly or
    when accelerating suddenly.*2
    ●When the temperature of the
    hybrid system is high.
    The vehicle has been left in the
    sun, driven on a hill, driven at high
    speeds, etc.
    ●When the temperature of the
    hybrid system is low.
    ●When the heater is switched on
    when the outside temperature is
    below about 14°F (-10°C).
    ●When the windshield defogger
    switch is pressed. (P.434)
    ●When the system determines that
    the gasoline engine needs to be
    started.
    *1:The gasoline engine may also
    operate in circumstances other
    than those listed above, depending
    on conditions.
    *2:When driving in AUTO EV/HV
    mode. Even in EV mode, the gasoline
    engine may start, depending
    on the condition of the hybrid
    battery (traction battery).
    ■If “Engine Started to Clean System
    EV driving unavailable” is
    displayed on the multi-information
    display
    EV driving may be canceled in order
    to protect the hybrid system, etc.
    In this case, perform driving with the
    gasoline engine until EV driving will
    be returned to automatically.
    Depending on the conditions, driving
    that combines the use of the
    gasoline engine may continue for a
    short while. However, this is not a
    malfunction.
    ■Conditions in which the gasoline
    engine may not stop
    The gasoline engine starts and
    stops automatically. However, it
    may not stop automatically in the
    following conditions*:
    ●During gasoline engine warm-up
    ●During hybrid battery (traction battery)
    charging
    ●When the temperature of the
    hybrid battery (traction battery) is
    high or low
    ●When the windshield defogger
    switch is pressed. (P.434)
    *: Depending on the circumstances,
    the gasoline engine may also not
    stop automatically in situations
    other than those above.
     
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    There are speed limits to EV mode. Plus the system will turn on the engine if it feels a need to protect the battery no matter the mode.
     
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    That definitely didn’t happen.
     
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    In EV mode, the power request from maximum pedal travel is set at a level the battery should be able to supply in most conditions. The middle mark in the 'POWER' part of the hybrid system indicator.

    Therefore in most conditions, putting your foot down will provide that maximum EV mode power without needing to start the engine.

    But the maximum output from the battery is affected by temperature and charge level, so it is still possible for the engine to start if your heavy foot exceeds a restricted battery. It doesn't lower the available system power, it just gets the engine to help to ensure consistent driving behaviour.

    Plus it can start for cabin heat.

    So here the engine will routinely run below -10°C for the cabin, and between -10°C and 0°C the engine tends to start to help when range shows 11km.

    The latter effect can be reduced by the battery heater function.
     
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    That is definitely not the case. It defaults to EV mode and I never changed it.
     
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    I think you have it. I did accelerate quite strongly when I entered the interstate on the way home . There was some type of sport car behind me and they were constantly on my bumper (I think because I was going the speed limit). I wanted to show the acceleration my new car has and I think I got carried away and it started the gas engine to gain some more power.
     
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    Another way of thinking about this is that if you didn't want to burn any fuel, you should not have bought a hybrid car.

    The programming of this car takes advantage of the fact it has the engine available to avoid excessively stressing or inefficiently using the battery.

    So it will give the battery a break when hot or cold. The EV would tend to push it harder.

    So your wishes to preserve the battery life but never burn fuel are conflicting, and Toyota have prioritised the former.

    The G5 is trying to give you more of an EV driving experience than the G4 did, but there's a limit to how much they want to give the battery an EV experience.
     
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    I will be more controlled in the future. I did enjoy the extra power at the time. I didn’t think I could start the gas engine by strong acceleration. I wonder if there is a marker on the gauge that shows the point at which point the gas engine will start.

    I definitely did not want a pure electric car. I want the gas option for long trips. I’m still quite happy with my car. I just learned what limits I have.

    Edit: I see you said there’s the marker I was thinking there might be. I appreciate not being able to hurt my battery by using too much electricity.
     
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    I definitely did not want a pure electric car. I despise Elon Musk so I would never buy a Tesla. Additionally I think I would be too limited as I have driven all day long going maybe 600 miles a day going through remote sections of America on my way to total eclipses of the sun. I like my gas option.
     
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    At least burning up more of my tank of gas ought to improve my fuel efficiency as I think it states I still have like 350+ miles left of gas range. No sense carrying around all of that unnecessary weight. I may fill to only 1/4 tank next time. I didn’t think about that the one and only time I’ve put gas in my car.
     
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    It is not supposed to do that unless you are in the EV-Auto mode. See the notes in the manual. Heavy acceleration starting the engine only applies to the EV-Auto mode. If it did, why in the world do they have the EV-Auto mode then?
     
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    One curious behavior is that if you switch to the HEV mode, you cannot switch back to the BEV mode until the engine warns up. This is to protect the engine.
     
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    Then I’m still mystified as to what happened… I don’t think I was in that mode.
     
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    I’m used to that from my 2012 model. Once it starts it wants finish getting warm.
     
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    EV only mode will not kick to HV mode just because of strong acceleration, if you had it in auto mode it would, but it sounds like it did what you wanted anyway, as EV only mode does not accelerate very fast at all, Toyota designed it that way to help preserve the small batteries life. If Toyota designed it to allow for strong acceleration like most full on EV's, then the small battery would discharge way too fast and they would probably be replacing a lot of batteries before the warranty was out. Auto or HV mode is where it's at if you want brisk acceleration to show off to a sports car, that's a strange sentence to type lol.
     
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    EV Auto mode will always start the engine if you floor it. Because max power in that mode is the end of the hybrid system power indicator, which is more than the battery can ever supply on its own.

    EV mode usually won't, because the battery can usually supply the mid-'POWER' level it has as its maximum, but if the battery's not in its temperature/SoC comfort zone, it can start the engine to ease the battery. Usually won't, but it can. I don't know why it did in your case, but I'd guess high temperature contributed. Certainly you should expect the engine to normally stay off when you floor it in EV mode. (Below 80-odd mph)
     
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