"Hundred year <weather>"

I agree that posts #30 and #33 did not seem to use the word 'believer' in the same sense.

#30 seemed to be using 'believer' in the sense of a sort of exact behavioral complement of 'denier' ... or what sometimes in other places might be called a 'troo beleever'.

#33 seemed to use 'believer' in the sense of someone who, in the usual way of such things, has become persuaded by the evidence and believes the proposition at the moment.

Neither usage of the word 'believer' is wrong, and both kinds of person exist, but they are different usages and different kinds of person, so having the same word used both ways in a series of posts does make a discussion harder to follow.

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It's even possible for one person to mix senses of the same word in making a single argument, like

Nothing is better than ma po tofu.
Stale bread is better than nothing.
∴ (by transitivity) stale bread is better than ma po tofu.
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When that happens, it's one of the classic named fallacies (equivocation), and when done on purpose, it is deliberate dishonesty.

But when it's just a word getting used in different senses by different people in a discussion thread, sometimes it's just a matter of not reading each others' posts quite carefully enough.

 

Getting way too deep for me, I think I'll swim for the shore before I drown. I'll leave you to it .... can't even remember what the topic was ..... something about 100yrs seems to pass a quicker these days .....

T1 Terry

 

A unicorn.
Everybody knows what they are.
Nobody has ever seen one.

 

That's funny - I got a kick out of that.

Certainly not my experience.

Unicorns must be real then - I find that most people where we live would be classified as Unicorns based on your post.

Effective two-way communication demands - active listening and empathy - without that you're not really effectively two-way communicating.

Shooting your mouth off while not listening is generally not considered communication in social circumstances.
(not accusing anyone of doing that just defining a different type of communication style)

... and yes I have experienced different styles of communication - I was in the US Service during the draft and Vietnam War and am very familiar with direct one-way communication, like:
- " get your as_ in line Airman and keep your _ _ _ _ _ _ _ mouth shut"!
There is also a time and place for different types of communication.

 

Everyone has something interesting to say, even if it is only interesting to the person that is saying it

T1 Terry