https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/autos-hybrids/this-is-how-much-a-new-prius-battery-costs-in-2025/ar-AA1IwYXX?ocid=BingHp01&cvid=dab2d3cf0653410585d228e245387426&ei=28
$2,000 to $8,000? Why should that be surprising when there are sometimes quotes for even replacing some of these on board computer like displays will cost $1,000. .
First of all, it estimates 15 years needed before battery replacement, and measurable battery degradation after 200,000 miles, so will not be needed by most. And 2nd of all, the source article about battery prices says that it is Porche and BMW hybrids are the ones that cost $8000. The only Prius example is $2250 for a new battery for model years 2010-2015.
No slight to you, Film, but MSN is to news and information as tumors are to good health. I particularly enjoyed this: The Car Care Nut (AMD) has a video on how to replace the prius battery, and if memory serves having it done at the dealership is much closer to $8k than $2k. I didn't mind your link nearly as much as AI videos bug me.
MSRP/dealership price for the Prius HEV HV battery(G9510-16010) is around $5300-$5500. More realistic price is around $3500. A dealership would probably charge around $7000-$8000. The full $5400 MSRP plus $1000 labor and another $500-$1000 for taxes and other fees. An independent shop would be closer to $4500 using a new battery($3500+$1000) or less if using a used battery. MSRP for the Prime HV battery is between $10,500 and $13,500 for US, and $27,000 for Canada(take that one with a giant grain of salt). G9510-47160 - Regular US G9510-47210 - Solar Roof US G9510-47230 - Regular Canada G9510-47240 - Solar Roof Canada
Batteries are either an 8 or 10 year warranty item turning on whether you are in a CARB state or not. Average time people keep a car is 8 years. That accounts for the person who lets their vehicles rust out in the South 40 long after they stop using it, to the person that swaps it out at warranty's expiration. Thus, the discussion seems much to do about nothing - ESPECIALLY a brand new car. But don't let that stop anyone's hand ringing. .
Oh yeah, the odds of someone needing a new battery outside of warranty or accident on a gen5 are pretty darn low. Unless they were stupid and modified the battery in some way or let the cooling fan intake get blocked. But at least it's good to be using the real figures when discussing the topic and not just throwing around AI-generated numbers. (I plan to own my gen5 for at least 15 years and don't expect to need a battery replacement.)
Plus there are still plenty of genII (some being >20yrs old) Priuses running around the landscape. Some with over 200k miles & original traction packs.
My 2009 Prius is still on the original traction battery at 195,000 miles. Not at 200k yet, but close!
In 2024 my Gen V Prius Prime XSE battery was replaced under warranty after the failure of battery cooling lines inside the battery leaking all the heatpump coolant liquid out of the cooling system. The dealership had the car for about a month to diagnose the problem and another two moths to get new battery from Japan to the local dealership and install it. From the Toyota Dealership Invoice for replacement of the Traction Battery Under Warranty: PARTS Job # 9 QTY: 1 FP-Number: G9510-47162 Description: Battery Assy, HEV U/Cost: $15,661.32 E/Cost: $15,661.32 U/Price: $28,345.42 Inv Date: 07/27/24 RO Date: 05/02/24
The NMC cells cost no more than about $150 per kWh to source. So, they are paying about $2,000 for the cells only. On top of that, there is the other hardware, which could cost up to $1,000 to them. That means the cost of the battery pack to Toyota is about $3,000. It should cost no more than $6,000 to the customer. If it still costs $20,000 to replace after the warranty sunset—which comes sooner than we think even if it is 10 years—then, we can consider the car totaled. That is why I am always very careful with my Gen 4 PHEV battery, refraining from storing at high SOC, BEV freeway driving, rapid acceleration and braking, etc.
Nope. And I bet you in return that the gen6(probably 2031-ish) is not going to be nearly as improved as you think it's going to be(if it comes out at all).
No later than 2029 for sure and perhaps as early as 2027. Gen 5 and Gen 4 are very similar, more of a spec upgrade, kind of like Gen 3 and Gen 2, which happened when Toyota had to deal with the pandemic issues. Gen 6 should be a thorough redesign with Arene, super-lean burn, and all that. In any case, for me it’s a moot issue, as I am looking forward to the end of my car payments in December and can’t afford any new generation.
We'll end up seeing who is more right in a few years. I think the Prius is going to be way down on their list of priorities. I don't think the mid-cycle refresh is going to happen until maybe 2027 or 2028, and even that is going to be super mild. Probably a slightly different front end. Maybe the new infotainment system if the one in the 2026 RAV4 has a good debut. Maybe a different pattern for the fabric and a change in the dash pad material. There's just no incentive for Toyota to throw development and retooling money into a newer platform that doesn't generate serious revenue/profit for them. It's far more important to Toyota to finish fixing the Tundra(engine recall) and Tacoma(transmission), debut the new MR2, Celica and Supra, develop the next Corolla, develop the next Sienna, plus whatever is needed for the non-North American markets. The new engine(G15E/G20E family) isn't going to go into the Prius anytime soon. The upcoming cars that need an engine the most are the MR2, Supra, and Celica. It's likely Toyota is focusing most of their current efforts into the higher performance turbo version of the G20E. The gen6 Prius will probably get the naturally aspirated 1.5L version after the next Corolla gets it, but it's not going to be a high priority. Sure, they stuck a mockup of one inside a current Prius for a press event last year, but I suspect they were just trying to use the sexiest smaller car they had for the optics. Arene is going to start as the most incremental of incremental advancements. The first priority is going to be making Arene function just like the current systems. They're going to want it to behave just like everyone is used to before starting to alter things a couple years later. The big changes it brings are going to be way, way behind the scenes; the end user is hardly going to notice a change for now. This is Toyota, remember. Gen 5 refresh in 2027 or 2028. Gen 6(if there is one) in 2031-ish.
My 2005 Prius odometer stopped at 299,999 miles. We had gone many more miles than that on the original battery and engine when the hybrid system finally went out. . It was a great deal!
Fair enough, and you have some valid points. There doesn’t need to be a cycle refresh. An eight-year cycle would be unprecedented for the Prius. Six years as in Gen 2 HEV, Gen 3 HEV, and Gen 4 PHEV is normal. That would put it in the 2029 model year with a Fall 2028 debut.
