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  1. Leadfoot J. McCoalroller

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    As much as they should.

    Federal minimum wage works as long as there are enough safe, habitable apartments for rent below $400/mo in the same zipcode as that job, and a car payment for a reliable car is no more than $150/mo.

    Until we have a better supply of cheap-enough housing and transportation, the strawberries need to cost more. Landlords and car dealers are hoovering it all up to feather their own nests, so the effects will ripple through the whole economy.
     
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    EV technology continues to change so my 2019 Model 3 is just a snapshot of six years ago. Sad to say Tesla never improved the basic performance. Better manufacture but the same miles/kWh. Yet it still achieves #3 spot.

    Happily I have the experience to choose a better replacement in the future.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    So true about housing and inflation.
    Now I have no idea how someone making $15 at a fast food can afford to live. It’s not slowly putting fries into a cup and pretending that is the work like 47 pretended. They are zooming all day.
     
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    It is so interesting to hear opinions and life experiences from others.

    My experiences mirror yours when growing up - working in the tobacco fields, harvesting crops, working as a janitor, fast food cook, painter etc - around here all kids do that growing up. Some of the latter jobs were to pay for college etc. I then entered the Armed Services to learn a trade - and also because I was drafted by Uncle Sam. ...and again nothing special there - most every young fellow I knew had a similar story.

    At no time in my life did I think working in a tobacco field, picking fruit, or working in fast food was supposed to be a life supporting endeavor or a career destination - not because there is anything wrong with the job or working it- but because it requires minimum skills and education you kind of knew it would never be a destination job.

    Coming from a large family with minimal resources the Armed Services- Education- hard work- initiative and some luck were my way to enter into a better life for myself and family.

    At no time did it ever occur to me that someone owed me a minimum wage- a place to stay (housing) - provide me food (food stamps) or give me money (welfare).

    I do help others, give to charity and volunteer in the community and very much enjoy helping others and giving someone else a boost up... at no time in my life did I ever feel I was entitled to any of that.
    I did have others help me in life and I greatly appreciated it, they didn't have to do it and I never expected it from them. I remember them very fondly.
     
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    The problem is, honestly, the cost of living is just so much higher. In the US and everywhere else.

    No one *wants* to be on food stamps, it's at best a subsidy it doesn't actually support a proper grocery cart at all.

    There's nothing wrong with a social safety net that helps people who hit hard times. And there's nothing wrong with trying to use the economy of scale that government can support to better provide supports to more people than individual charities can't support.

    I don't think people feel entitled, but I think we all deserve some baseline level of things in terms of livelihood. We should have access to affordable healthcare, affordable housing, groceries - stuff that lines up with what an average person can expect to make in terms of salary. People want to have families, but many can't afford them because rent and mortgage just cost so damn much - for example. For young people today, cost of living is just really out of whack relative to salaries, and its especially bad in the US. Even for apprenticeship schools and stuff like that, from all I've seen and read. There's just a big friction there and that's a problem.

    And, no disrespect, older generations really don't understand just how bad its gotten and how oppressive it feels. To many young people it feels more like the 1930s, than anything else. Sure there are some really accessible salves that may look like excess - in the form of smartphones and social media. But these are just the inexpensive vices of the modern era, things we can use to distract ourselves and feel better because they're cheap in the short term, and they fill the existential void that is the prospect of - for example - saving 200,000 as a down payment on an 800,000 dollar home that would have been called a "starter" home 30 years ago, while making a combined income of 95,000 as a couple even if you don't have student loans. It feels so daunting, and is very difficult when rent is 30,000 a year plus utilities, and taxes. Plus bills, some debts, etc. So what is an extra $20 a month to get the fancy version of the iphone as part of your new phone plan. Right? Older gens see the small luxuries that used to be hyper expensive, but are now affordable. But ignore that the previously affordable necessities now feel like luxuries.

    There's almost a flip on salaries can afford the extras more easily than they can afford the must haves that have long term payoff.
     
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    watch your pennies, and the dollars will take care of themselves
     
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    That is a major simplification though.

    At this point every dollar feels like a penny. so its more like watch your dollars and the benjamins will take care of themselves. And that still feels very dismissive of the very real issues people are facing.

    Let's say you do save those $20 dollars a month. Maybe you save $100 dollars a month cutting back on stuff. That's $1200 a year. If you make $90,000 a year as a household, and you want $200,000 to buy a house, and you're already saving, idk, $1500 a month. How much of a difference does $1200 a YEAR make? If that was being applied to a mortgage, the difference adds up over time. When you're applying it to a savings account, it means next to nothing. It doesn't grow the same way on the same timeline when you realize that the 200k only represents the START of a 30 year mortgage.

    The floor, the baseline to access things, just feels so much further away for so many more people than it has in a long time.

    And that's if young people even get a job, they have the highest unemployment of any other age group across north america and europe.

    It sucks. The stagnation of wages and way money's just funnelled up over time to the richest of the rich, and everything gets more expensive, that's a major problem.
     
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    Inaccurate since we register our sex offenders:
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    List the Hispanic sex offenders near me, fool.

    Demonizing a people is so:
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    It is close enough to Huntsville for a day trip. Probably Thursday, September 11.

    This is the legacy our sociopath in Chief wants to bring back by repeating his:
    It has been the common refrain from too many members of our species.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    living frugally is a mindset. people come in all varieties. one thing that has changed is corporations buying up housing, driving up prices. should be illegal, but you won't hear that from either side of the aisle
     
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    One came in Monday's mail offering ~$240,000 with a "Not A Check" look alight. Just sharing, not negotiating:
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    My favorite "cold call":
    • Voice - "Robert, we would like to buy your house."
    • Robert - "You can buy it at my estate sale,"
    • Voice - "Great! When and where is that?"
    • Robert - "When I'm dead. Come to the estate sale at the house."
    • Voice - "Oh ... <click>"
    Thinking about getting some postcards made to reply to these solicitations.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    That last line about driving ans many miles as you wish ...

    Look up some figures on the pollution due to tire wear. . I was surprised.
     
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    We have a rental, not to feather our nest but just to make ends meet in retirement as well as help our less fortunate family members - & so we aren't a burden on the supply of gub'ment cheese (which, I've benefited from long ago) etc, that's better served up to others. And it brings income into uncle sam. Never mind that acquiring income property is often a risky thing that financially kills some. Guess that's just too bad though?
     
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    I see some people are still drinking the Trump Kool-Aid. It must be slow-acting. Let’s see for how long.
     
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    wow Bob - what else should we call each other now that we're devolving down that slippery hyperbole slope. So much for legitimizing 'judging' others as 'just' a figure of automotive quality speech.
    That's great, that you have no illegal alien perverts near you. Ooops - presuming law enforcement has them all caught? & drug dealers? Traffickers? other felonies? It's not just about the pervs. We don't have enough LEGAL people willing to break the law in the country already?
    Maybe show some data - to show how Alabama is a microcosm of the entire nation?
    Or not.
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    Which one is that - it seems like you have to go high dollar to achieve better CD performance - which then because becomes a cost recuperate formula.
     
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    Then you understand that Newsom isn't merely taking care of strawberry pickers- he's taking care of landlords, car dealers, insurance brokers and grocers- everyone else that picker needs to pay to live.
     
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    I find it ironic that people who provide this country with food, clothing and housing aren't considered worthy of a wage that can provide food clothing and housing because "it doesn't require any skill."

    Well, what does it take to be able to make enough money to afford a house and save for retirement? Really!? What does it take to make a living and provide for a family these days?

    Sometimes I wonder if suicide would be the best option here because there isn't any hope in this world. At least if push comes to shove I can just live off welfare I guess, even though that's a terrible thing to do. But I don't care, because society as a whole doesn't value my work anyway.
     
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    Perhaps you are not a fool, but you voted for a total fool only because he portrays himself tough on immigrants.

    He thinks tariffs will bring jobs to the US, but they will only bring inflation. Biden’s incentives were working. Tariffs don’t work, as the other countries have tried and failed. In fact, the US jobs are being lost because manufacturers can no longer import the necessary supplies.

    He has cut the science and academic funding and launched a war against higher education, in fact also primary and secondary education. This is when China and others are heavily investing on science and education.

    He dismantled crucial government organizations.

    Free speech is disappearing unless you agree with him.

    The list is so long.

    To expect a super-rich person who lived his entire life isolated from the society to help the people is naive at best. He is and will only work for his own and his family’s own benefit. He can care less on the country and people. I heard that he recently made over $5 billion from crypto, thanks to his presidency. He generally has a complete lack of empathy. He has been supporting the Genocide in Gaza, which is expected to result in all Palestinians to be eventually killed or removed from the region. He is supporting it because it is to his own interest. Let’s see what he will think about himself when he goes into the history books as the enabler of genocide.

    If you still think he will do good, look at and do some research on other countries run by similar demagogues who promise to save their people. They are in peril. Some of those demagogues/dictators are practically his twins. Perhaps America will manage to root him out and survive, but it is in great peril, too.
     
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  20. Leadfoot J. McCoalroller

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    Yeah, that's what bugs me the most. We are now completely out of the running for major science and engineering advances in the future.

    If my daughter shows interest in STEM stuff I need to make sure she learns Mandarin, or at least French... because we have been sidelined.
     
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