SARS-CoV-2 Coronavirus (COVID-19)

Discussion in 'Environmental Discussion' started by tochatihu, Jan 26, 2020.

  1. bwilson4web

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    Agreed. In 1780s, many of our founding fathers were acutely aware of centuries of religious wars. We even had factions in the colonies but they saw putting religious differences aside was critical to achieving our Independence. Sad to say, generational amnesia is real and marching some back to the dark ages.

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    Earlier this summer I had a reason (there's a back story, but it's long) to try to learn more about the doctrine of the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod, with a reputation as quite a conservative denomination. I found this striking quote in a 1930 document from the LCMS archives, The Social Doctrine of the Augsburg Confession by Hermann Sasse (translated by Matthew C. Harrison et al.):

    The task of the church over against the governing authorities is an especially difficult responsibility. It must guard itself against any illusion of a “Christian state” and must limit itself.​

    It left me wondering how many of the denominations that today are so vocally advocating Christian nationalism might in fact have equally clear statements like that in their own denominational archives.
     
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    An hour to do 3 miles is a 20 minute/mile pace. That is a pace that I used to call comfortable. I also used to do a trail run of 7 miles 3 times a week. Running didn't work after several ankle/foot injuries. These days I swim about a mile 3 times a week. After a couple weeks of taking creatine/leucine/HMB the swimming is getting much stronger. I was already doing the exercise, but the supplements have delivered better results.
     
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    The reason I use 50,000 IU daily is that is what my doctor prescribed. I am very aware that this is a massive dose by conventional doctor standards.

    About 40 years ago there was a D3 batch that was labeled 2000 IU, where testing of it revealed that it was 1000 times the labeled dose. Somebody didn't know the difference between mcg and mg. The fallout from that manufacturing error has been a continuing belief that some people have a bad reaction to 2000 IU.

    The FUD about D3 being dangerous at even normal levels has certainly sold a lot of vaccines.
     
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    there's a lot of disagreement about normal D levels. i'm on 2,000 IU a day, after massive load up on a prescription to start with.
     
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    I’ve been getting B12 assertions. Not really what I am interested in.

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    i had my b12 level checked, but it was within range
     
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    I took 2 aspirin for a headache 2 years ago.
     
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    "I’ve been getting B12 assertions." Would those be injections? It is a done thing for older folks whose diets may not supply enough, or whose body is not absorbing it well.

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    I take B12 pills because of essentiality and because of several possible beneficial side effects. They have no known negative interactions and mostly, they are very cheap from some brands.
     
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    Older people tend to have low B12. Something about stomach acid no longer being strong enough to absorb much of it from food.

    Modern sanitation has essentially removed the traditional means of getting B12. Wandering around the chicken coop barefoot will supply all the B12 you can use. Or just about any barnyard situation. You get the idea...

    A number of years ago I took the methylcobalamin sold at Costco. A blood test indicated that my B12 level was quite high. I still take it occasionally, but daily is not necessary for me.

    My mother in law was a medications nurse. The nurses gave each other B12 shots. Gave them an energy boost was the story.
     
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    Better than nothing. There's this doctor who noticed that "people who take 5000 IU daily never seem to get the flu".

    The prescription shot of D is actually D2. Yesterday's treatment. Ordinary grocery store D3 is more effective. My endocrinologist visited the health food store a few blocks from his office. He told them he'd send a few hundred of his patients their way if they would carry 50,000 IU capsules of D3. He's retired, but the store still maintains stock of those capsules.

    Research reported by GrassRootsHealth suggests that the average person needs 8000 IU per day to maintain what they call a healthy level. But the dosage really needs to be guided by a blood test. It's not how much extra you take, it's how much you have available in your body. It's like a 7 to 1 range in how much extra one has to take to achieve the same level. One person's 2000 IU is another person's 14,000 IU.

    Sun exposure production of D3 has already shut down for the winter for those of us living north of about San Francisco. Boston even earlier. Flu trails seasonal D production by about 2 months. Maintaining the same higher D level year round essentially eliminates flu seasonality.

    The Endocrine Society says that individuals can take 10,000 IU daily without medical management. Above that, they want you to see one of their members...
     
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    This makes sense. Measure and then treat.

    I am changing my family physician to be part of a better hospital group. I may start with a request that my "vitamin levels" be tested if possible.

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    Never have been low on any B, but eating a lot of fish, eggs, cheeses seems to be enough supplements in those critters.
     
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    since we're off topic, i see that the admin authorized leucovorin for autism. interesting times ahead.