Has anyone had these odd electrical symptoms? 12V battery keeps shorting out each use

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    The car is dead as a doornail unless I attach jumper pack. Nothing works, nothing responds, nothing turns on, including lights. But the batteries themselves are charged as I have confirmed.
     
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    Anything below 12.7 is in need of a charge or replacement and most people on PriusChat want you to measure the 12.7v at the front of the car at the jump points which won't be as high as the battery. Also that 13.9 number should be 14.1v...
    Check your connections, something is loose.
     
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    So the car has a bad negative connection between the 12v battery and chassis ground OR the positive connection from the 12v battery to the front fuse box has a problem.
     
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    Yes, tried all kinds of what seemed like tricks that seemed to be working over a month or two. Opening and shutting the door seemed to work a couple times, pushing/rocking the car seemed to work once or twice, foot on brake worked a couple times, foot off worked a couple times. Or seemed to. Could have just been luck. But 'tricks' (if they ever were, and not just chance) progressively failed more and more and now nothing works.
     
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    ok, so you understand that the heavy red cable that is connected to the fusebox at the jump point is the same heavy red cable that plugs into the fusible link assembly on the positive terminal of the battery? For whatever reason, you are not getting continuity between the 12v battery and the car. You have a (+) cable, a fusible link assemby on the (+) terminal, a 12v battery, a (-) cable.

    One of those items is not doing it's job.
     
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    I had the same problem and used the opening and shutting of the door to fix it for a little while, but it was fixed for good when I took apart and cleaned and inspected and upgraded all the connections around the 12v.
     
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    Thanks for the tips all.

    I tried to read the voltage from under the hood and got zero / 0.5V. Battery itself is reading 12.58V and car has been sitting for couple hours.

    The lugs are on tight, but I'm going to clean and reseat them tomorrow in the light and see if that helps. If that doesn't fix issue, will move on to connections between battery and front fuse box, fuse block in rear etc.

    There's an independent shop run by all Georgians in my area (Philadelphia) that actually specializes in Gen2 Priuses (Priuses are pretty much all they do, and even today probably 70% of those in shop are Gen2s, which are very popular in the Georgian / Russian / Ukrainian immigrant communities, particularly Georgian (over half of all Toyota vehicles in Georgia are Priuses; https://galtandtaggart.com/files/galt/reports/2025/05/18219.pdf ; page 11). Communication is a little difficult but great find. Need to go there for another issue this week so may just have them swap the rear fusible block (part cost will be negligible), and maybe the front box too from someone who hasn't left the cover off / left it loose for the last several years. But will check both terminals/lugs for cleanliness first. And like Brian said, maybe bad ground somewhere.

    Bad component seems likelier than a grounding issue since whatever it is progressively got worse and then failed completely. Or, maybe a bad physical connection somewhere. Will report back with fix.
     
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    That confirms that there is a bad connection between the 12v battery and the front fuse box. It could be the negative or positive connections.
     
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    Charger yes, high amp no. At least some of the 12V batteries have a sticker that says not to charge them at more than 4.x volts. (I don't recall what x is.)

    Just for the sake if dotting the i's and crossing the t's the OP isn't seeing the dashboard capacitor issue, right?
     
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    With the car off start at the battery and measure the voltage between the two posts. It was 12.6 V at least once. Now start moving one probe or the other outward (electrically) from the battery. Move the negative first to the other end of the cable, then to a piece of bare metal, like a bolt head nearby. Then go in the other direction. Back probe the heavy 12V line that goes to the fuse box. Then measure at the jump point in the fuse box. In all such cases it should still be 12.6 volts between positive and ground.

    I also suggest unplugging the 12V cable where it goes in near the positive post and inspect both the cable and the socket it plugs into for damage. If that was not seated properly at some point it might have arced, which can make a mess of later connections. With that cable out measure the resistance from the positive post to the conductors in that socket. If the fusible link has blown that will be high.

    Pull the 12V battery and attach it to an old fashioned load tester, pull 20A out of it and verify the voltage hasn't crashed to something below 10 volts. The battery in my car only has a little over 10Ah capacity left, and even it can maintain 11.8V when 20A is drawn from it. (Note, electronic battery testers all say our battery is fine. It is not. A discharge test definitively shows that it only has about 1/4 of the capacity it should.)
     
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    Have you actually verified the heavy red cable is properly plugged into the fusible link assembly at the 12v battery (+) terminal? Maybe try to unplug it, inspect the contact surfaces and plug it back in firmly until it locks in place?

    Have you tried using the jump pack at the battery itself? If you clamp it to the terminals and everything works, then you pretty much eliminate everything except the battery itself and the connection between the terminals and posts. Just be certain to not reverse polarity, or you'll smoke the underhood fusible link assembly and some fuses.

    ....and it is possible for a battery to have an internal mechanical busbar failure that allows full 12.x volts to be read at the terminals, but drops to zero as soon as a load is applied. Anyone with a reasonable amount of electrical experience should be able to help you solve this in 5 minutes or less.