Disease Prevention and Health Reseach

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  1. tochatihu

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    Heat and oxygen; same as burning the paint off.
     
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    I think stainless steel pressure pots are less common. Living at 2000 meters, I Al-pressure lots of foods but not acidic ones.
     
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    No discussion of possible aluminum health risks would be complete w/o Alzheimers:

    https://www.alzdiscovery.org/cognitive-vitality/blog/is-there-a-link-between-aluminum-and-alzheimers#:~:text=It%20found%20that%20levels%20of%20aluminum%20consumption%20in,and%20a%203-fold%20increase%20in%20Alzheimer%27s%20risk%20%5B6%5D.

    https://neurolaunch.com/aluminum-and-alzheimers/

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21157018/

    “Environmental aluminum exposure and Alzheimer’s disease risk: Evidence from a systematic review and meta-analysis”
    https://doi.org/10.1016/j.ecoenv.2025.118759

    “Understanding Aspects of Aluminum Exposure in Alzheimer’s Disease Development”
    doi:10.1111/bpa.12333

    TL;DR Some studies have found links between aluminum exposure, and others have not. Lifetime exposure to elevated levels of aluminum is sensibly to be limited where possible. I reckon that people involved in refining and recycling industries are the most exposed. Some countries have limits on [Al] in water and food, but I have not looked for lists.

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    This element is 3rd most abundant in Earth’s crust after oxygen and silicon. There are many exposure pathways. I reckon that vaccine adjuvants dominate lifetime aluminum exposure for approximately no one.
     
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    The inner pots of Instant Pots are stainless steel.
     
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    mRNA vaccines are the new things, only widely used against COVID so far. Nobel Prize in Physiology 2023, and fatalities prevented by COVID vaccines (in general) could be explored from other sources.

    But mRNA vaccines are the new things and have met opposition. Global patterns of vax against COVID would illuminate this in ways not yet considered.

    Fractions of COVID vaccinations with mRNA

    USA ~100%
    Europe ~50% (no definitive source found)
    Africa ~50% (no definitive source found)
    India ~50% (no definitive source found)
    China ~0%

    To count problems happening after vax (coincidental or not), USA has VAERS and Euro has

    https://www.adrreports.eu/

    I looked at the former and found no there there. I have not looked at the latter.

    Other large pop areas with low to no use of mRNA COVID vax may have there own sites detailing adverse reactions occurring after vaccinations. But I have not looked.

    The thing is, large pops were vaxed against COVID by mRNA or other ways. It seems to me an incompletely studied thing that mRNA vax could be found to cause particular problems. Further studies of that ought to be done.

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    Old diseases persist, and new diseases arrive. mRNA vax tech now has fast target delineation and fast workflows in development and production. If any important risks of mRNA vax can be shown, those opposed ought to get their s*** together and make use of data available and make their case. Preferably by rational scientific discourse. Lurid website ‘publication’ seem to me not of much value.

    The expanding human enterprise will benefit from better medicine.
     
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    I got Novavax COVID-19 vaccine this season. It is not mRNA based vaccine but rather old fashioned protein based. It is of recombinant spike protein with adjuvant formulation. Other two COVID vaccines currently approved in the US by CDC are by Moderna and Pfizer-BioNTech; and they are mRNA based. So, currently mRNA vaccine in the US, it is not 100%, unless no one is using Novavax. At least I did. lol
     
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    it is offered around here. seems to be just a little less effective than mrna. i got the mspikevax
     
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    I am pleased to learn that COVID vax in US are diverse, This would allow side effects to be explored among them by well designed and executed retrospective studies. Totally in favor of doing such.

    It might not surprise readers that my 100 50 0% mRNA were not based on accurate personal knowledge (except for 0%). The idea is that side effects of vax types could be studied in many places.
     
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    You mean...aside from the "fact" they did not work as a vaccine to begin with?
     
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    I do not mean to separate vaccine efficacy from incidence and severity of side effects, All are fundamental aspects of the value of vaccines.

    I do hope to find studies separating those aspects for mRNA and conventional/previous vaccine types. Because differences can be detected by appropriately designed studies, if differences exist.

    In COVID thread I linked to studies of side effects based on (US) VAERS, but those seemed to only address mRNA vaccines. Other studies may exist based on European version of VAERS:

    European database of suspected adverse drug reaction
    reports - Frequently asked questions


    which includes medicines in general not only vaccines.

    This study of vaccine efficacy:

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama-health-forum/fullarticle/2836434

    Does not separate mRNA from other vaccine types. If any readers are aware of others that do, please post links.

    TL;DR for that study is 2.5 million lives saved. I am aware that some people have an opinion that 0 lives were saved. Imperviousness exists but ought not interfere with seeking the preponderance of data.
     
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    The curious among our species continue to move the medical boundaries. Many more live outside of the USA and free to pursue science.

    As for the rest, our species is barely 400 years from Galileo's persecution. Too soon for them to leave the dark ages. Like Ron White quips:
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    Bob Wilson
     
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    The Church did officially apologize for that wrongful persecution. It took them just 359 years to do so.

    In an intermediate step, it had earlier removed his book from the Index of Forbidden Books -- after a mere 202 years.
     
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    These COVID shots did not and have not stopped the spread, worked as a prophylactic, prevented, cured or lessened the effects of SARS-CoV-2 on humans...period.
     
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    "The curious among us continue to move the boundaries" There are in particular fields thousands (or some similar number) who move boundaries, and billions I guess who notice those things happening. So I'd rather not clump them exactly. Those thousands devote their lives to learning new things. Those larger numbers deserve praise for curiosity, but it ain't the same thing.

    "Many more live outside of the USA and free to pursue science." Oh Baaaab, Please do not airily imply that USA has abandoned Science. It could be a brief crimp at high levels. In my view, shuttering Dept of Education might cast a longer shadow, but I also doubt that. There is too much money to be made by innovation.

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    I'd like to see Galileo's preserved middle finger upraised (it's in Venice?), but not a big life goal. We are way past that now.
     
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    Thanks for my best laugh of the week!

    My screen needed cleaning anyway.
     
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    "These COVID shots did not..." Please never change. My efforts to get other readers to read and think may do little. Your contrast makes it seem exciting and worthy of effort. We need you and your 'facts'. Period.
     
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    100%....they even had to change the definition of "vaccine" in order to try to sell getting the covid-jab to folks! It didn't stop anything but sure made big pharma a crap-ton (billions$$$$$) but big pharma was sure to get the government to sign off on preventing any of us from suing big pharma for side effects...and there's been lots and lots. Turbo cancers are still a big problem as is heart issues even with younger folks.

    You all can have all my jabs...I'm trusting something called my immune system and my Lord and Savior....NOT government and, especially, big pharma.

    Even though we're a blue state, many Coloradans are pretty self-sufficient and stubborn so we didn't go along with the "mandatory" mask wearing or made-up 6-feet of separation and we did have large family gatherings.

    None of it worked...the virus spread just like all viruses do...herd immunity is the only thing that stops/slows down the spread. But, thank Goodness....many folks learned we need to fight for our freedoms and liberties...no government should EVER be allowed to take away and dictate what they got away with EVER again!

    Never forget that the 56 brave men who signed the Declaration of Independence, basically, signed their own death warrant by doing so but had hope in the American spirit that would fight, and win, our independence from the king.

    "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." --Benjamin Franklin
     
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    "Thanks for my best laugh of the week!" @fuzzy1 keeps my posts here within the fences as much as anyone, thanks. But I'd prefer less laughter. COVID has killed about 20 millions. All those people and whatever they might have done with rest of their lives is gone. All efforts of medical professionals to keep them alive failed. Those medical professionals are not laughing, nor are the dead.

    Vaccines were delivered faster than ever before, but still not fast enough to reduce early deaths. What was learned from COVID and vax will probably lessen harms from next pre-pandemic that comes. Don't anyone suppose that no more will come.

    If the next is a respiratory airborne virus, transfer from hosts to new hosts can be limited by means including masks. If the next is more like Norovirus with fomites on surfaces, transmission will go differently.

    It may be on some peoples' minds that some bad actor will do the next dirty, but still see that many viruses are at our door from bats and birds with 50 to 5000 km mobility. I suppose Humans will face several more pre-pandemics before an engineered one comes. And such might never come.

    None of this provokes my laughter.
     
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    This "immune system" is how s many people, one to several generations before me, died in large numbers from then-common diseases that we hardly ever hear about anymore. At birth, babies had life expediencies much shorter than today.

    People increasingly 'trusting' their immune systems over vaccines now, is how the U.S. and Canada, after having eradicated native measles spread, are now losing our status as measles-free. After several decades of all measles cases being isolated cases linked to foreign travel or unvaccinated immigrants and visitors, now we are seeing measles outbreaks spreading in our native non-traveling population. This is a major step backwards.
    Immunizations are a huge contributor to herd immunity. And now nearly the only contributor to herd immunities to measles, polio, smallpox, chickenpox, mumps, rubella, HPV, etc.
    Are you watching the new Ken Burns series on the America Revolution this week?
     
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    "Immunizations are a huge contributor to herd immunity" Herd immunity, although it sounds coarse, is a favorable thing. Diseases differ in Ro; how many new hosts can come from a single infected source person. Infected source persons may firstly die (depending on lethality of particulate diseases). Ro can be reduced by hosts dying, by new hosts somehow having resistance to particular infections, or by new hosts by vaccination not becoming new hosts. Herd immunity can arise from deaths in the herd, or by those other ways.

    It can be supposed that about 20 millions dead from COVID decreased infection to others by, well, dying. Many of those died in hospitals where persons nearby were masked and gloved, to say the least, and further infections from them was curtailed.

    Everyone else had some exposure to COVID. They were masked, vaxed, and self isolated to various degrees. All those actions reduced Ro, although we can never know which best increased herd immunity. All palliative measures happened all at once, and unevenly across areas.

    We learned what we could from all that, about herd immunity. The Barrington Declaration declared that herd immunity should come without regard to dead numbers. I cannot agree to that; we should always push back with vax and personal behaviors to achieve herd immunity with fewest numbers of dead,