Pedal comander vs Pedal monster

To each their own, but Pedal Commander/Monster...on a Prius?

 

You hear that engineers at Shift Power and other companies, this guy claims he knows more than you and your products are figments of our imagination.

 

Why don't you just look up throttle pedal devices like Shift Power and others and read THEIR official scientific research on their products? The burden would be on you to do so, since you're making a claim they don't work.

 

Nice reversal of burden there. They're the ones selling a product and making claims about what it does.

I have read some of what's available on their websites, but haven't had much success in the past finding "scientific research" there; you might be able to direct us to some that I missed.

But really, I was asking a shorter and simpler question. Because you had written

it seemed clear that you were familiar enough yourself with the simple function of the item that you could explain that function simply and clearly in your own words. Note that isn't even asking you to show any proof of effectiveness or degree of improvement, just asking nothing more than that you describe how it is purported to work. A simple explanation, the kind you would give an audience that maybe already knows how the existing pedal sensor works and what the ranges of VPA1 and VPA2 are, but not a lot more than that.

Is that something you could do?

 

Are you sure you don't mean THEIR MARKETING GIBBERISH?
Their company is there to sell their products. Are we supposed to just believe the claims, no matter how BO GUS?

Look, the pedal position sensor puts out 0 to 100% Go Pedal Position, correct?

What can these chrome plated DooDads do to that 'Position' data that your right foot can't?
ELI5.
Have you bought one of these DooDads? Can you possibly tell and measure ANY DIFFERENCE?

 

I could, yes. But I would get another disingenuous answer in return. Why don't you disprove it yourself and like Azusa said, buy one...use it, reverse engineer it...whatever you like and tell us your findings. I've done all my experiments with them and quite like all the results. It is using the total available traction power combo between ICE and hybrid battery as someone previously mentioned. In race mode, it's really taxing the HV battery as a matter of fact.

 

I ran one in a Prius V for nearly 4 years, and countless customers and friends have also ran them in their vehicles for nearly as long with thousands of logged miles and data sets from them. This feels like what the debate would have been like between aeronautical engineers during WW2 and 1/2 of them try to describe how much faster and better a turbine jet engine would be in future warfare...all you guys are the propellor proponents saying jets will never be popular. Seriously, go back to Hypermiling and scrap booking.

 

Yes, And?

The scale is, once again, 0 -100%
How many ways are there to slam in 100%?
How many ways are there to hold position to maintain the speed you want?
Can you summarize the 'data sets'? I forget what the promise is with these DooDads.

You mentioned 'Science' earlier. Can you please scientifically explain how this dang deal work?

btw, I don't hypermile. I punch it all the time in my EV. It doesn't waste power in an EV.
Traction control to the rescue of my tires!

I accel hard in my Prius all the time, but hate the buzzing engine... So maybe not at that Ol' 100% position.
But up there! I could get my torque app to give me the data, right?

Scrap booking?? I guess it's a hobby. Some buy useless DooDads to throw at their car for a hobby.

 

If I thought I could have a rational conversation with you I might post a few things but the rambling and trolling is just boring. Buy one, and tell ME what you notice. It's 100% worth your $200 to install on a Prius.

 

There's a certain category of product whose boosters always respond to "how shall I decide if this is worth buying?" with "there's no possible way other than you buying it."

... though it may be that recognizing that pattern offers another possible way ...

 

Yeah, sure...
I'm trolling and you're pedaling stuff. Which is worse for this forum?
Scientific stuff, or so you say.
So is there a pay back time if I throw an extra $200 at my car?

This is similar to the "You have to use PWR mode! It's amazing!" discussions here.
NOPE. My right foot can do anything PWR mode does, also.

Maybe both are all in your head?

Since you won't talk about how it does the "0-100% Pedal Position stuff,,,
Maybe you can tell me what it does when my ACC is on? ('10 level 5 with the ATP option!)

I sometimes drive for a living and I'll go more than an hour with the ACC engaged at a true 81 MPH. 85 indicated, but my winter tires must be a smaller diameter than my normal wheelset.
Does it do it's Magic when the ACC is handling the throttle response ?

 

Boosters?

aka Shills.
You know there's some financial linky stinky going on there.....

They get a kick back with their long signatures full of links to stuff.... Maybe a buck-fifty....
Easy money, if you can sleep at night.....

 

And how would this DooDad work with a Comma Auto Pilot in a Gen 4 that I'm about to upgrade to?

I'm tired of driving for a living. My hands get numb sometimes. I need a Gen 4 to use a Comma.
So I'm going wild and upgrading from a 16 yr old prius to a 9 yr old prius.
That is how a successful professional courier shows he has made it!!!

 

I'm not peddling anything, I was merely participating in a thread where someone asked a question about a product I am familiar with because I bought one..but since you mention it maybe I should send them an email to get kick backs from putting a link in my signature. I don't give a good dog damn whether anyone buys one or not at the end of the day. I know they work, as intendid and they add a little extra spice to the life of the mundane Prius owner.

Seems like you're the one offended by them, or maybe you can't afford one..or maybe is it the same group of Seal Club holding trolls who all dislike Nexpower batteries who see that line in my signature that grieves you? The stink always seems to rise to the top of the toilet lid here at P-Chat.

 

Granpappy always said there's no such thing as a stupid question, well I disagree. I just can't let this kind of stupid permeate, and I know you're smarter than not even assuming to know how it works and posting a baited question.

Just think of the box as a signal intercepter from the pedal itself before it reaches your ECU. In theory, they do not "add horsepower or torque" in and of themselves with their throttle signal interuption, but they ALLOW the process by changing the torque and HP curve so that if you are running a powerful HV battery or any mods to your ICE it will continually change those readings if you were to dyno the car. (No one is claiming a shot of Nitrous here or winning the Indy 500)..this is why however 3/4 throttle on Super Sport setting feels more powerful than doing the same thing in PWR mode without the module turned on. It's demanding more power from both ICE and Battery in smaller incrimental slots that are dialed in with the powertrain at any given throttle position...hence you would see this correction on a dyno graph and that's why you feel it in your butt.

They change the HP/TQ peaks when looking at the linear power curve on a Prius by demanding power earlier on in the cycle. When you put them in a car with a good HV battery or even a VERY good HV Battery like a Sodium Ion unit or even modifying to a larger throttle body in a Prius that's already adding observable hp/tq numbers, it IS now changing the demand for power at a lower speed and RPM coupled with a STRONG HV battery you are feeling extra power at less of an input on the pedal. As we all know 100% is the same signal to the ECU with or without the throttle signal modifier. It's not just making the ICE kick on faster, it's doing much more than that.