No more radios in cars?

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  1. Rmay635703

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    Nope
     
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    rjparker Tu Humilde Sirviente

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    You have to pay for Youtube TV. You also pay for internet service.
     
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    I don’t,
    last time I paid for internet it was $4.99 a month for 56k dialup.

    and I do not have YouTube TV, just plain ol YouTube, occasionally watch Pluto or Roku free tiers
     
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    Mmm...

    Someone on the internet who doesn't pay for internet.

    That sounds kind of suspicious. :cautious::LOL:
     
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    Is that true even in places where the strongest "Signal Margin (dB)" is a negative number? Where the "Field Strength (dBuV/m)" is marked "Bad", and also a negative number?

    Your answer sounds like a mostly-flat-land answer. In the valleys nestled in Western mountains, there are many places where it is very impractical to directly receive OTA signals at the home where someone wants to view them. Their own personal translator / repeater mounted on a ridgetop could do it, but would need a (possibly unlicensed) wireless link down to the house, and a good power source. A former coworker did this for a solar powered ham repeater to reach his vacation / retirement home near Stehekin (zip code 98852), but without any permissions from the relevant agencies.
     
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    There are 'free' public internet access points available, though the ones in my county library system are paid through the library levy in my property taxes.
     
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    ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

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    My employer provides me with a phone and a 'puter that I use liberally - so it could be argued that that is a means of getting 'free' internet.
    I'm currently evaluating a Starlink Mini (this connection) whose 'standby' mode would definitely not be free - but clearly affordable.
    They claim $5 a month but I will remain suspicious until I see the junk fees.
    At .5mb/s up and down it's not blazing fast, but it's probably 'good 'nuff' as a fallover to monitor IOT devices and a security system, make interweb calls, even watch Pluto. :D
    I chose the mini for portability and the ability to work with limited power in a post-storm environment.
    According to the dashboard I'm drawing less than the advertised 20w.
    One of the advantages of coastal living.
    I even have a 'sodium amplifier' for HF comms.....:D

    This is why I prefaced my answer with "in MY experience..."
    There are places in the Volunteer state where you just about have to run pipelines for sunlight - and THAT's EAST of the big muddy!
    They actually have REAL mountains in Colorado.
    You cannot compel a local broadcaster to serve customers at a loss.
    They will simply sell out to one of of the giant monster mega-media outlets and communities will lose access to local news because there are no local news PROVIDERS.

    I'm blessed (and cursed!) by straddling two TV markets, and I gave up about 20% of my signal strength by putting an expensive near-bedspring sized rig in my attic that can receive both with a little careful coax management and only feeding one TV at present.
    If I start watching more TV then I will look into things like an amp and upping distro but life is far too interesting to be tethered in place by something as silly as a television.
    If I lived in a valley, I would face very different challenges but the first rule in TV reception is that you have to have at least ONE local broadcaster.
    There's no DX'ing television, especially with ATSC digital.
     
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    As noted above I can receive 115 channels but many are duplicates because of dual market location.

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    The two markets. Austin and San Antonio, are 180 degrees apart but most dedicated uhf antennas are bidirectional flat panels with integrated preamps and can receive in both directions.

    Since full power stations are now only uhf regardless of their virtual channel number, a uhf panel antenna set high works well. However uhf is more line of sight than vhf and is degraded by trees and foliage in its path.

    It used to be vhf (rf channels 2-13) were high power, could punch through walls and trees and could achieve greater distances than uhf - but most of that spectrum was sold off by the government. As a result the few remaining real vhf stations are low power and require a traditional highly directional vhf antenna carefully oriented for distant reception. However some station owners remained vhf due to its ability to handle buildings and trees within most metroplexes.

    The best antenna setups for vhf and uhf at distance are often separate antennas connected on the mast with a diplexer, a derivative of a coax combiner with frequency filters and a dc bypass for a uhf preamp. With separate antennas, the vhf channels can be separately oriented. Most consumers have no idea of these details for good distance reception and the days of antenna installation specialists are over.

    With that said, a consumer in the Gunnison area not living high on a hill might need streaming tv when the broadcast repeaters go down.
     
    #68 rjparker, Dec 18, 2025 at 7:58 AM
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