PHEV specific topic: oil change based on time ONLY

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  1. Templeton

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    I know there have been lots of oil change threads, but I was curious to get people's opinions on a specific aspect of oil changes for prius PHEVs (primes).

    I just heard an interesting podcast episode about the time (not the mileage) between oil changes. So, whatever you might choose to follow (toyota mileage recommendations, or more often), with the prius prime ICE not running much if you drive a lot on EV mode, after the warranty period has passed (where you might, for legal reasons, need to follow factory directions exactly), what are your thoughts about the opinions in this podcast from blackstone labs?

    tldr: These guys say that modern synthetic oils, even after being opened and sitting in a crankcase, can last for a long, long chronological time (this podcast focuses only on chronological time between changes, not on the miles driven between changes). And that most folks in most cases don't need to worry about time between changes, they should more focus on the miles (and the type of miles) between changes.

    Just curious what most prius PHEV owners on here think about this, since many of us drive a lot on EV mode, sometimes more than in HV mode. Audio episode here:
    105: No Time To Change - Slick Talk: Powered By Blackstone Laboratories - Apple Podcasts
     
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    Not a PHEV owner, and didn't watch the video, but most equipment has hour meters, no?
    Too bad this couldn't be accessed via software, or even miles with engine running-you'd think it should be kept track of by the car.
    I suppose you could install an hour meter.
     
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    No huge need for an hour meter, as there are easy ways to keeping track of miles driven in HV mode (in a prius PHEV).

    But some people insist that oil goes bad just based just on time alone, and that is what I was interested to get opinions on. Especially since the blackstone folks seem to provide info that indicates otherwise.
     
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    if i had known this when i owned a pip, i would have changed the oil twice in eleven years, instead of every year.
    that would have been a $1,000. savings
     
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    Plus a good number of needless hours doing the oil changes, if you DIY them.
     
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    Oil goes bad from oxidation. At room temperatures, that reaction is very slow, and even stops if cold enough. Then in a sealed bottle, the available oxygen is used up and oxidation stops.

    So oil can last some time in a non-running engine. But we also need to account for climate along with time. The engine isn't sealed, and warm/cool cycles will lead to fresh air getting into the crankcase with more available oxygen. It also can bring in humidity that adds water as an oxidation source.

    In the case of a PHEV, the engine use cycle needs to be considered. If only running for a short time when it comes on, that is the same as a short trip in an ICE car. This is severe use on the oil, as there is more water and even fuel sitting in the oil for long periods before being boiled off.

    Toyota's oil change schedule is too short for PHEVs; its what they use for ICE cars. Would be great if they, and everyone else, used a system like Honda and GM, which monitored engine operation to calculate remaining oil life. With that system, the Volt could go two years between oil changes. Which was probably still conservative.
     
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    Good points, but were you able to listen to the podcast ?
     
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    You want to take away my once-a-year fun...
     
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    And, unfortunately, this piece of info will take away even more of your once-a-year "fun".

    This oil expert says that changing the ICE oil filters every oil change is not good either:
    (slightly "dirty" oil filters do a better job filtering than brand new oil filters)
     
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    i'm surprised big oil hasn't shut these guys down.
    it would be interesting if someone did a long term study of hybrids vs gassers. the only potential problems i see are climate and driving variables.
     
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    Honda's maintenance schedule (it's a little elusive, built into their in-dash Maintenance Minder system) stipulates oil filter change at every second oil change. That said, at our nearby dealership at least, if you ask them to just change the oil, leave the filter, they treat you like you're nuts. What I would DIY at the oil change-only-interval, was drain the oil and filter, reinstall that filter. Worked, and the oil change was more complete.

    BTW, I wonder if there's some brain-fart afoot in the video, at 4:52 the guy he quotes says "a dirty air filter...". I have heard the latter.
     
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    That is a very good idea: pulling the filter, draining it of used oil, and then reinstalling it (for changes when you plan to reuse the filter).

    About your air filter question, l think the oil geek guy is referencing another of his videos where he had experts on the video with him that were discussing air filters, fuel filters, and oil filters, so that is likely the source of the confusion.