First transmission oil change at 144K

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  1. indel

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    As many of you know, I just bought my first Prius (2012 Two) a couple of months ago. Today, I did the first real service on it by changing the transmission oil. I was not prepared for the amount of work needed under the car and it ended up taking me nearly six hours to do everything. Here are a few observations:

    1. Raised vehicle on four jack stands in my garage and found that there was not enough space to work under the car. So I raised the front end again, which made the car slightly off level.

    2. When removing the engine under cover, a few clips broke and the box of new ones I purchased did not fit any of the positions, so that was a total waste of money.

    3. The old transmission oil was completely black. In comparison, I did transmission service on my 2006 Civic last week after 37K miles interval and the oil color was not very dark.

    4. I was able to drain about 3-1/3 quarts of oil. To fill new oil, a clear vinyl tube was routed from the engine compartment down towards the transmission housing. A small funnel was attached at the top. The first half quart went in pretty fast, after which it was a slog because of trapped air inside the tube. It took me a good 30 minutes to refill. Right around 3-1/3 quarts in, the drip from the fill hole started.

    5. The amount of oil that drained and refilled was less than what most of you have experienced. So I guess having the vehicle front angled up slightly does make a difference in both drain and refill. I found it hard to level the vehicle perfectly on the stands.

    6. Given the drained oil was so dark, does it make sense for me to drive 5-10K and then repeat the drain and refill? I can't believe the previous owner never bothered to change the transmission oil. The vehicle was serviced regularly at Toyota of Butte, Montana, and it was in their care until 136K, so I don't know why they never serviced the transmission.
     
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    Toyota claims that ATF WS is a lifetime fluid - but I'm surprised the dealership didn't try to up-sell that.

    These transmission are planetary gear sets, so as long as they stay cool and something lubricates the needle bearings - they can go for a good long while. Changing the ATF every 60K to 100K actually puts you ahead of the game, since most people don't touch it. Some even argued that it was a SEALED unit, therefore unchangeable - strange how the service manual states to check it.:rolleyes::(:whistle:
     
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    Which presumably (according to toyota) ends as soon as the last of the warranties on the vehicle end.

    Here is an excerpt from the repair manual:


    (a) Add transaxle fluid until the fluid level is between 0 to 10 mm (0 to
    0.394 in.) from the bottom lip of the filler plug opening.
    ï‚· Stop the vehicle on a flat road.
    ï‚· Recheck the transaxle fluid level after driving when exchanging fluid.
    ï‚· Insufficient or excessive amounts of transaxle fluid may be the cause of some trouble.

    So you are supposed to jack up the vehicle on a flat road somewhere during the test drive and check the level? Some of these directions in the repair manual are so nuts.
     
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    A recheck of the fluid level after a change and short drive, is pointless. I did that the first time, and yup, level right where I left it.
     
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    Manuals are written by technical writers and the engineers are "suppose to sign-off on them". You know how some details slip through or are lost in translation. That's where the reader's/consumer's interpenetration skills kick in.
     
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    Drain-and-fill nstruction first appeared in the "Repair Manual" for gen 3, prior to that it was just a level check instruction.

    The third gen instruction had a single post-change recheck of level (which I would ignore).

    For gen 4, more steps were added, IIRC a temporary install of the fill-bolt, then removal, then final install, something like that.

    Then with 5th gen, they also tacked on a multi drain-and-fill instruction. Maybe the engineers thought that the whole process was only required in the event of contamination??

    Anyway, drain it, fill it, done, still works.
     
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    OR the technical writer assigned; thought it was the same as a torque converter transmission and was drawing on old outdated knowledge.
    A multiple drain-n-fill would be required on a torque converter transmission to get 80% - 90% ATF out, since half of the ATF is inaccessible in the torque converter - or to flush out contaminates.
     
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    Concur, had to do that once, after absentmindedly pouring about a cup of motor oil into one of our Honda automatic transmissions.
     
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    One annoying thing about transmission drail and refill is the awkward placement of the two plugs. The drain plug sits directly in front of some flat bar which makes a huge mess. Why not place this bolt at the bottom of the transmission like everything else?

    Similarly, the fill bolt is hidden behind the cv shaft. So awkward to get a handle on it unless you have a lift.

    Anyway, enough of my bitching about this. I still can't get over how bad the oil looked though. I definitely would like to do a second drain and refill next year after I put 5-10K miles on it.
     
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    I changed my WS at 48,429 miles, only a few months after I bought the car used. Once I got the car semi-level up high enough that I could (barely) crawl under it and got the under-engine panel off, I don't remember any difficulties with obstructions or plug locations.
    The original fluid subjectively "looks bad" (i.e., dark) even if drained early, but evidently that doesn't mean it's functionally bad. Otherwise, we'd see more sad stories of transmission troubles.
     
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    I can't recall having a problem with access. Did you take the engine underpanel off? Helps immensely.

    (There's a transaxle fluid change link in my signature, with tips and ref material. On a phone turn it landscape to see signatures.)
     
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    Does it make sense to again drain and refill in 5-10K miles?

    New oil is usually worth it.
    I'd bet there is still old oil residue even after your change.

    If a hobby and a cost of @ $100, sure, worth it.

    Yet with 150K mileage already, I could say not sure if worth it.

    Just a 2-cent comment... good luck with your decision.
     
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    My philosophy is that ALL my fluids gets changed at 100K miles, if not required to be changed sooner. I believe that would/should be an acceptable service life of any fluid. The effects of time, heat cycles, and contaminates are cumulative - nothing last forever. If you take care of it, it will outlast most others.

    Just my two cents.....
     
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    I have put about 100 miles on the new fluid so far and have not noticed any changes in the way the vehicle drives or any new sounds. I wasn't expecting any, the car drove just fine before too. But yes, to get rid of the remaining old residue, I do think it makes sense to do another drain refill in six months time. I am about 2500 miles away from an oil change, so I might just do both of those things together.

    With regard to the high mileage comment above, I am stubborn about keeping my cars forever. My Civic is going strong at 291K but only because I have kept up with its demands. This Prius won't be any different.