Featured Nvidia’s ChatGPT moment for self-driving

Discussion in 'Prius, Hybrid, EV and Alt-Fuel News' started by Gokhan, Jan 10, 2026 at 8:38 PM.

  1. Isaac Zachary

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    The thing is both my wife and I have very similar tastes. We both would love to have an old VW. Yet, despite all the mud I've slung at EV's being boring appliances, we both also entertain the idea of owning an EV again. There was something about that 2013 Nissan Leaf that we both found charming.
     
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    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    I used to start my DECUS talks with a chart like this:
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    • Hardware - the thing, like a 2019 Model 3 with HW 3.0
    • Software - the latest release, firmware 2025:44.25.4 and FSD 12.6 4
    • Peopleware - teaching operator, too often neglected leading to "human error"
    I bring this up because there are so many contradictory claims about self driving that often show ignorance of what it is and what it does. Certainly there is a learning curve about how to drive "Full Self Driving." This is complicated by the decade old, self driving layers:
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    Experience from 2016 to today has shown this model is useless for teaching how to drive a self-driving vehicle:
    • Mobileye - BMW i3-REx and Prius Prime
    • Autopilot - 2019 Tesla Model 3, from 2019
    • Full Self Driving (FSD) - 2019 Tesla Model 3, current
    Today 99% of my driving uses FSD using the navigation inputs, spoofing the "nag", and occasional manual overrides. I suspect other "self driving" systems have similar, operator inputs or face significant limitations. For example, comparing WAMO vs FSD, one recent YouTube revealed FSD was significantly faster.

    So I welcome other driver assistance systems as March 2019 AutoPilot saved me and family in April during a medical event. Any automated driving system no matter how simple or complex will on the whole be safer than human drivers by themselves. There will be incidents like the Arizona fatality and dragging a body in San Francisco. But no one notices when they silently work as designed.

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    mikefocke Prius v Three 2012, Avalon 2011

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    Bob, did you forget Firmware?

    Oh, that reminds me. It is patch Tuesday.
     
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    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    I think I listed the firmware under the pie chart. Regardless, the scariest people who showed up when I was working announced, “We’re here to update your Windows PC.”

    Every update meant the things I mostly used would be broken. So I’d have to waste time from my regular job to figure out how to use the ‘updated’ but now broken PC.

    It always made me appreciate my personal Macintoshes … even across multiple CPU changes!

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    I seem to remember previous descriptions of this event, in which AP enabled the driver to continue driving through numerous repeated microsleep events, when the proper safe driving response would have been to find a place to stop and take a break.

    In my area in April 2024, AP or FSD (various news reports are inconsistent) killed the motorcyclist ahead when its Tesla driver used it to mentally disengage from driving and perform an unrelated task. The cyclist's family just filed suit this month. [Discussed in a previous thread here, with more new links.]

    That claim ignores ADAS systems that enable or encourage driver mental disengagement or misbehavior, but are not ready for real autonomous driving.

    Until true driverless systems become widely available on the consumer marker, human factors engineering of these systems remains critically important.