Vaccine provocation

Kind of a cul-de-sac with that particular poster.

He'll post: some vaccinated people still had symptoms when exposed ⟹ the vaccines are fake.

And somebody comes along and explains about massive reductions in severity and mortality, and that no vaccine magically prevents exposure, and yes, sometimes you feel your immune system doing the job the vaccine prepped it for.

And after a bit he'll come back and post: some vaccinated people still had symptoms when exposed ⟹ the vaccines are fake.

Been going on a while now.

 

What's still going on is people believe the COVID shots were vaccines...and that they worked.

 

And pat he comes, like the catastrophe of the old comedy

 

The comedy is people still believing these shots did/do anything.

 

f...7, by testimony, got the shots and evaded hospitalization, 'long COVID', and death.

f...7 may have knowledge that the shots played no beneficial role in that, but such special knowledge has not been revealed.

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For those interested in wider communities, vaccine efficacy has been much studied and published. I favor hearing more from opponents here, as it might lead others to examine publications. Not for any other reason (oh well...) but that is enough.

 

t.......u states that getting the COVID shots were/are responsible for evading hospitalization, "long COVID" and death..."is factual"

 

I remember the COVID years. Not for the losses, but for the day-to-day horror of trying not to become a statistic. When the vaccines finally came there was relief. I'm not going to argue for or against anything here. Science is built on proof, not on belief. There was a lot of bad information going around back then, with traumatic and real consequences. One thing in particular that I remember was a podcast from This American Life that I was listening to enroute on my daily 70 mile commute to work. It was early-COVID, driving to work in the morning, dark outside on a nearly abandoned Interstate 10. This was the sheltering-in-place period, and I was essential Government personnel. It was episode #782 released October 14, 2022. The piece is accompanied by a transcript, but the audio of the story is much more gripping. And hopeless. It's what happens when you don't trust science.

 

I do not remember being horrified or even mildly scared - but then.....I'm not in my 80's nor do I have any co-morbidities.
I'm a history geek - and so nothing really much happened in '20 that I had not read about happening MORE THAN once before.
Every time I hear the word 'unprecedented' I presume that the person using that word either does not know what they are talking about, or is not aware of what 'unprecedented' means.

One hears that word a lot on the news, and in pressers......

Then and now.
SCIENCE?
I trust.
Scientists?

Not so much.

I just got a flu shot.
Why?
NOT because I believe in fairy tales.
I get vaccinated because there is REAL LONGITUDINAL DATA that suggests that WHEN I get the flu its effects will be somewhat attenuated.
I will help to ameliorate this years "unprecedented" flu rates by STAYING MY A** at home if I get the flu this year.

One example.
ACTUAL mileage will vary.

Funny, that!
I've just been issued "essential worker" papers from my employer for this year's 'unprecedented' winter storm.
Or is it just going to be historical?

I did not even bother to print it out.
My company has offices in 21 states - and I thank a kind and loving GOD every day that I do NOT work in a state where workers have needed to 'show their papers'

 

"I remember the COVID years" too.

I wore the proper masks, distanced...and got the shots. I did this because it seemed prudent, we were told it would be the end of mankind if we did not and because as an "essential worker" I was mandated to by Law...or loose my career. Then we found out these measures did not work and the goal posts were moved to say...we were less likely to get a severe case, require hospitalization or die from COVID. FTR...I've had all my real vaccines and never had a mild case of polio or anything covered by the MMR vaccines. I've caught the COVID bug 3 times...confirmed...likely more because we don't test anymore. Same can be said for flu shots.

Do and/or say what you want...and so will I.

 

Trusting science developed and articulated by whom? That is done by scientists, and this trust/no trust dance step does not lead anywhere. There is a solution though - trust the concordance of results developed by scientists which constitutes science.

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dance/concordance is fractured parallelism. A nice touch I thought.

 

how many years of data do we need before 'trusting' it?

 

How long was the food pyramid turned upside down?

 

no idea, why?

 

"how many years of data do we need before 'trusting' it?" Duration of studies is one way of thinking about concordance of data. Others include studies on different populations, and those including possibly confounding variables.

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Forewarning, following is OT and possibly self serving. I published wood decomposition (caused by fungi) is negatively related to number of species in wood. This was unsettling to some and has not been supported by all studies at other places since. Thus there is not a concordance about it. Each individual study is accurate (say true if you wish) for that place and time and species examined. These local accuracies may or may not result in a consistent global pattern. There may not be one. Yet there is abundant other evidence that fungal species encountering each other will compete to control space. They kill each other with powerful enzymes. So, readers may appreciate my interest in this. Contrasting that, a more general pattern (say truth if you wish) that ecological systems with more species 'do their thing' faster. That pattern is also true, but may not cover everything everywhere. Might not rise to a level similar to The Law of Gravity.

 

while most of us might like 5, 10 or 20 years of data, that's a tough ask in a pandemic with a novel virus

 

mRNA has been around for 20 years, it never passed animal trials. The primary Dr/ scientist that created mRNA is against it's use as a vaccine. It was released under EUA emergency use authorization, bypassing successful human trials. Pfizer's trials killed 150 people. They had to change the definition of "vaccine" in Websters because it's not a vaccine.

VAERS Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System currently shows 38,900 covid vaxx deaths and 1.6 million adverse events in the USA. They ended the Swine Flu vaxx after only 50 deaths. What changed between then and now? Big pharma has gained total regulatory capture of government agencies. Vaers underreports because it's voluntary, worldwide deaths are estimated at 20 million

Athlete deaths from heart events went from under 10 per year to over 400 during the vaxx years. Cancer wards are seeing record turbo cancers. Morticians are seeing over 20% of bodies having rubbery synthetic blood clots that interfere with embalming


Vaxxie, vaxxie, so obsessed,
Wore your mask and took your tests.
Still got COVID, every strain,
Spike proteins inside your brain.

Short of breath at 24,
"Dr. Fauci, gimmie more!"
Proteins tangle and misfold,
Amyloidosis taking hold.

Swollen heart at 25,
"Thank Moderna I'm alive!"
There's no cure for microclot,
Getting worse with every shot.

Heart attack at 26,
Prayed to Pfizer for a fix.
Vaxxie, vaxxie, death is lurking,
Doctor says, "that means it's working."

Died of SADS at 27,
All good vaxxies go to heaven.
Obituary headline noted:
"Anti-Vaxxer Dies of COVID."

His family is quite upset,
But they're alive, at least on net.
And, they say, "it's for the better,"
Without the vax "he would be deader."

 

Just answering your question about trust.
TRUST is EARNED.

You cannot buy it.
You cannot coerce people into trusting you.
You cannot multiply data by dividing it (hiding the inconvenient parts!)

If we believe the CDC....and their data, the 'trust' factor with the Covid shot versus the Flu shot is pretty clear - and let's just point out here that the FLU shot isn't exactly.....'trusted.'
Fun fact: Flu shots are still mandatory in some occupations and for the military. The Covid shot is not.
Sooner or later the data from those decisions will assert themselves.
I'm regularly called a "vax denier" by some LIBs and most TDS sufferers but I'm completely in compliance with their vax schedule(**) except for Tap/Td (Lockjaw) which I intend to get in a few weeks during my next medical check.


Vaccination Trends | Respiratory Illnesses | CDC

Recommended Vaccinations for Adults | Vaccines & Immunizations | CDC

(**) This is the "age of Hitler" so the "Science" behind the CDC is now probably a little different than it was two years ago......because......Science.
NOT really sure if their recommendations have changed.......