How was Florida this year?

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    In addition of an orange tree blight, I notice the freezing line went pretty deep into Florida. Just wondering if anyone witnessed the effects this past week?

    Bob Wilson
     
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    Calling Mr Bisco -
     
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    Paved paradise, put up a parking lot.
    some 40-50 years ago California Orange crop was 40% larger. ie - don't look for the West Coast to make a big dent if Florida starts shipping less (in the short run) due to weather. Our SoCal - Orange County Park & Ride was right next to some 20+ acres of Orange Groves in the 90s. It got bulldozed. The shopping center, Irvine Spectrum - needed expansion so now it's 80+ acres of 'commerce' ...... or whatever you want to call it.
     
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    An area article on the West's lousy ski year claimed that the Florida Panhandle has received more snow this year than has Salt Lake City.
     
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    Our politicians have never paid much attention to food production, very short sighted
     
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    Well - except for grain over production - so we can run our cars ah la ethanol - adulterated gasoline so that mileage ends up being worse (Sigh)
     
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    Having benchmarked Prius efficiency on:
    • straight gas - retail most expensive
    • 10% ethanol - cheapest per mile
    • 50% ethanol - more expensive without cold weather triggering check engine light
    • 85% ethanol - retail rate excessive over wholesale yet provides peak power and efficiency
    My Prius benchmarks revealed something other than "mileage ends up being worse." My benchmark consists of:
    • +8% grade climb at maximum throttle
    • ~1.1 miles up ~525 ft (up Old Dixie Highway South of the Tennessee River)
    The Prius uses the knock sensor to tune the spark advance. More spark advance, more HP and a faster hill climb which peaked on E85. The "check engine" light was because the spark advance was more than the hard coded Prius control laws allow. At one time, I looked at an after-market, timing system that would "spoof" the engine to allow maximum spark advance for E85 operation. But then I realized the problem with the wholesale and retail rates:
    • gasoline ~= K * wholesale price
    • ethanol ~= (K + ~20%) * wholesale price
    The cost of E85 is artificially high even though it performs better than straight gas. More power with lower coolant and exhaust temperatures. There is a reason high performance dragsters run a mostly alcohol fuel.

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    Ethanol in machinery / small ICE & boat enginess IIRC is still such that it can do bad things;
    E-10 Alive: The corrosive damage ethanol gasoline does to your fuel pump | Equipment World

    Perhaps things are better now in more recent times? But yeah, running a tank of e85 through the system - it's not going to wipe things out real quick - any more than a diet of mashed potatoes, corn chips, cream cheese dip & a Coke - over the Super Bowl weekend.

    I still find non-ethanol fuel for the snow blower & have switched over to an electric mower / leaf blowe & string trimmer to avoid the risk.
     
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    It is the potential of long term damage to aluminum* and rubber/plastic parts ethanol can do to parts with using concentrations higher than recommended. Plain steel might also be at risk; which is why these blends aren't piped in petroleum lines.

    *Adding a bit of water to the fuel blend will protect aluminum. Those additives claiming to protect against ethanol likely are just that.