working on a 2007 Prius, has a current issue of P0560. new 12v True Start battery, live data returns voltage of 13.7 in the ENGINE/ECT section. code come back immediately after clearing. car operates fine, no red triangle. i've gone thru the Diagnostics 05-895 section and the resistance tests between the HEV fuse holder and the battery ECM connector B11-1 are well under 1 ohm. isolation of fuse holder to body around 15 meg ohm. i've changed battery ECMs to no difference. also have tried different Engine Control and HV ECMs. i'm stumped. one thing, and tell me if this is significant, is that i have the Engine and HV ECMs out and hanging by their plugs, not bolted into the chassis. i do have a ground jumper between the ECMs and the body but it isn't like being bolted in. -dan
Seems to me I'd be looking at my inverter converter section of the inverter the part on bottom that charges 12V. You're on the lowest edge of charging 12V at 13.5 or so . And with short trips etc that could equal low charging . Or emulation of that low charging . Seems like.
what would normal ECM voltages be? i'd replaced the inverter with one out of a 2005 while troubleshooting different problems so i could swap the 07 one back in. haven't got the wiper area put back together yet.
Can you post the "05-895" section that you're referring to? I've found diagnostic steps for P0560 in a 2004 edition floating around, but they're on page 05-264 through 05-267. Of course page numbers can be different between editions, but what's more puzzling is these steps don't really suggest looking at the stuff you've been looking at. They're more about the voltage arriving at pin 6 (BATT) of the ECM. A bit about naming, there's only one ECU in the car that has the alternate name "ECM" (engine control module). The rest are just called the whatever ECU (electronic control unit, the generic term).
i'll post it up tomorrow. i see the "05-895" was for a 2004. also found the similar section in a 2008 manual but had different numbers. anyway, i'll post it up. thanks for the nomenclature lesson... it's important to be correct when troubleshooting. this has been the Prius From Hell. given to me by a friend after the dealer couldn't fix the dying-while-driving issue after having it two weeks. i pulled the rear interior out and there was water everywhere from the roof seam leaks. anyway, very very long story short, i'm at the point where it runs without issue and the only code is P0560. gotta find that problem before putting the dash back together, IF i can remember how to do that. it's been apart nearly a year.
I'm sure you probably thought it goes without saying, but you don't say whether you did the very first step, and if you did you didn't say what the result was. (a) Remove the HEV fuse from the engine room relay block. (b) Measure the resistance of the HEV fuse. --> Standard resistance: Below 1 Ω (c) Reinstall the HEV fuse. Note you should measure the resistance, not just visually inspect it
He said he tested the wire between the HEV fuse holder and the battery ECM connector B11-1 and that was well under 1 Ω. He didn't mention testing the fuse that was in the HEV fuse holder.
thanks for all the input so far. to address questions: - yes, the fuse was checked with a multimeter. the pins and plugs of the B and C blocks have been cleaned with Caig D5 spray. the attached file is the procedure i followed to examine the path between the HEV fuse and the battery ECU. - scan tool data consistently shows 13.7v Engine/ECT voltage while running. - the grounds on the driver's strut tower were cleaned and paint scraped to bare metal when inverter was replaced. - 12v battery connections and body grounds cleaned. the positive terminal fuse and 2 connectors have been cleaned, new True Start batt as of 2 days ago. - the Engine Control, HV, and traction battery computer connections have been cleaned with Caig Gold G5. all computers have been swapped at various points with no change in P0560 status. interestingly, with all the chicken dance i've been doing trying to solve this code, i've left the HEV fuse out twice when trying to start. radiator fan runs on high, dash freaks out, can't turn off displays unless key is removed from slot. first time was a Wth moment, now i instantly know!
I don't think you can mix this 05 and 07 stuff up the computers n such . Heck dinner switches n stuff are all different and mount In different square holes n stuff . Plugs are different . Pin outs etc .
i'm back at the original 2007 computers for everything with the exception of the inverter is from my junker 05. probably next step is to return to the 07 inverter, yes?
Oh, I see! Both the ECM and the battery ECU can report a P0560 code. Lovely. This is one of those cases where you really want to be using a scan tool or app that shows not just the code, but what ECU reported it. If the ECM reported it, you follow the troubleshooting steps at 05-267. If the battery ECU reported it, those troubleshooting steps are at 05-895. (I think the page numbers we're seeing, happily, came from the same "2004 Prius - Preliminary Release" edition.)
okay. i've been using an Autel MaxiAP200 which returns lots of info and subcodes but no subcodes are reported when using the Autel nor is it telling exactly which ECU. time to go back to the Techstream i have. it's a pain to use compared to the Autel but should pinpoint the ECU. good point.
I think you ought to be able to get the info with the Autel. If the overall health-check result screen doesn't group codes by the ECU they came from, you should be able to select a particular ECU you want to check. I have an AP200, just haven't exactly tried to do this with it, so my memory might not be perfect.
in the Autel, the P0560 is coming from the Engine/ECT group. this is also the location reporting the +Bm voltage of 13.7 attached is the engine running data from Engine/ECT group in the Autel. don't think it shows much.
Well, if the code is shown in the Engine/ECT group, the troubleshooting steps at 05-267 should be the appropriate ones. I'm not sure how reliable a freeze-frame of P0560 might be, given that the code is about insufficient power for memory retention.
right, 05-267. since i have the wipers still out, think it makes sense to just return to the 07 inverter as a first step? then i'd be 100% 07 components. i agree, the freeze frame data in this case is of limited value.