Return of Physical Button controls

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    It's a more than "physical buttons"; think it's back to square one for dashboard design.

    Perhaps a standard needs to be set, and a team of certified testers established, to try a dashboard mock-up and either approve it, or send them back for redesign. Criteria is simple as heck: can these controls be safely, quickly and reliably operated, without taking eyes off the road. Today that's virtually never the case. Twenty years back, it was the norm. Attached is an example of acceptable heat/vent controls:
     

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    It would be nice to have a button for everything, but there just isn't any practical way to do it.
    I think we will still have touch screen buttons for the foreseeable future.
     
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    Disagree with andrea, manufacturers are winners in this scenario, there’s no going back
     
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    I'm good, thanks.
    When GMC goes over to touch screens I will start seeing other dealers.

    I might anyway.....
    I told my CFO this morning that I want something inexpensive and practical for my 'retirement car.'

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    Dangit!
    Forgot to use the sarcasm font AGAIN!
     
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    Not the old-skool analog ones. Why they don't even have infotainment systems!
     
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    Analog buttons have a lot of overhead, at least for modern engineers with options.

    First you must design them to match your interior (WMMV, depending on mfr). Then must pass under engineering and mfg eyes (at least for those who give a damn past their minimum hours) in order to pass muster for safety standards in country of sale. This also means if the model is to be a global one, has to conform to the strictest regs, so they can sold in all desired countries. This may or may not have anything to do with ergonomic concerns, but will always conform to cost ones.

    Then they have to be mfr'd for spares, and stocked as long as the factory wants to spend the money to keep them in inventory. Typically this has been 10y in the past, but who knows how much each mfr wants to cut costs on models that are on their third owner in 7y?

    Then one must consider what the buttons / switches are made of. Is it expensive to mfr? Does it turn colour or crumble in storage, due to being made of cheap grades of more biodegradable plastics? Is this for a near-luxury model whose btns / sws were lambasted in the automotive rags for being difficult to find and unusable whilst driving? Is it for a limited-run model where they contracted an outside specialist to make them... and that American / British / German contractor now wants triple the amt to mfr it, 10y later?

    I do not know. Being raised on analogue buttons & switchgear... no reason a modern mfr couldn't make appropriate controls strictly tactile and analogue (radio power / volume / presets; A/C and all HVAC controls; headlamps; four-way-flashers; drive modes), and put all the rest of the BS behind a menu on a mounted tablet -- because as we all know, that effing tablet isn't going away. B / S :p for window lifts, mirrors, and seat settings have been reliably electric since the '60s - '80s, and should remain so. But tablets are the cheapest way to cram a bunch of functions into a car that uses CAN busses anyway.

    Shifters must remain haptic and 100% tactile, none of this push-button crap (Acura and Honda's in love with them). Having driven a 5G almost 2y now, a PRNDL shifter w/ all the drive mode selectors on the goddamned shifter grip, would be f***ing peachy :rolleyes: If I gotta look at the shifter (or any control) to use it, you are a no-go at this station and should be forced to drive Kia K4s w/ one bougie lead pulled for life (the SKs are the worst offenders for everything-on-the-tablet, and will only get worse as we transition to an all-BEV future) :cautious:
     
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    Not sure why pure-electric propulsion vehicles are “leading” the pack in nothing-but-tablet, but they are. And yup, the manufacturer’s rush to the touch-screen railing of the boat is motivated by one thing: money. I’d love to see that boat capsize; might actually see something that interests me.