Vaccine provocation

That was a real vaccine made from the disease it was protecting from

Not a bogus MRNA drug that had already failed animal trials because too many animals died and they had to force it through under EUA

 

Those smallpox inoculations (variolation) did not use any vaccine, because the first vaccine for anything wasn't invented until a couple decades later. Instead they used actual live uninhibited smallpox virus, taken from patients with milder cases and administered in small doses. The mortality rate of these inoculations, while much lower than from normal transmission, was far far higher than from any modern vaccines, including mRNAs.

And now, from serendipity, we have learned that mRNA vaccines -- any of them, not just versions meant for the purpose -- significantly boost certain treatments for a few cancers.

 

Please define "boost"...as applied in your statement.

 

Cancer treatments may get a boost from mRNA COVID vaccines
Cancer treatments may get a boost from mRNA COVID vaccines
Patients who got the vaccine within about 3 months of immunotherapy lived longer, data show



https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-03432-7
People with some cancers live longer after a COVID vaccine
mRNA vaccines seem to boost the effectiveness of an immune therapy for skin and lung cancer ― in an unexpected way.


https://www.bmj.com/content/391/bmj.r2245
Patients with cancer who received a covid mRNA vaccine within 100 days of beginning immunotherapy treatment gained significant benefit in terms of survival and disease progression, new research suggests.1


Study Finds COVID mRNA Vaccines Boost Cancer Treatment
Study Finds COVID mRNA Vaccines Boost Cancer Treatment


https://www.science.org/content/article/surprise-bonus-covid-19-vaccines-bolstering-cancer-treatment
A surprise bonus from COVID-19 vaccines: bolstering cancer treatment
Patients who got shots of mRNA before starting a type of cancer immunotherapy lived much longer


https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-025-09655-y
SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccines sensitize tumours to immune checkpoint blockade
Abstract
Immune checkpoint inhibitors (ICIs) extend survival in many patients with cancer but are ineffective in patients without pre-existing immunity1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9. Although personalized mRNA cancer vaccines sensitize tumours to ICIs by directing immune attacks against preselected antigens, personalized vaccines are limited by complex and time-intensive manufacturing processes10,11,12,13,14. Here we show that mRNA vaccines targeting SARS-CoV-2 also sensitize tumours to ICIs. In preclinical models, SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccines led to a substantial increase in type I interferon, enabling innate immune cells to prime CD8+ T cells that target tumour-associated antigens. Concomitant ICI treatment is required for maximal efficacy in immunologically cold tumours, which respond by increasing PD-L1 expression. Similar correlates of vaccination response are found in humans, including increases in type I interferon, myeloid–lymphoid activation in healthy volunteers and PD-L1 expression on tumours. Moreover, receipt of SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccines within 100 days of initiating ICI is associated with significantly improved median and three-year overall survival in multiple large retrospective cohorts. This benefit is similar among patients with immunologically cold tumours. Together, these results demonstrate that clinically available mRNA vaccines targeting non-tumour-related antigens are potent immune modulators capable of sensitizing tumours to ICIs.

 

There aren’t any covid deaths from the covid vaccine. As for rushing to get them approved, that was under 45, who mysteriously took both sides of the issue and got away with it. It’s a waste of effort to argue with a maga about anything as they are in a state of cult worship. When getting my covid shots the paperwork makes it clear there is no connection to the vaccines and getting covid, it’s a physical impossibility.

 

He's ageless! looks the same as when we had a face to face some 17 years ago. Unbelievable

not unless you count healthy athletes dropping dead from heart failure, which the medical industry now acknowledges. Quite a trade-off

 

Maybe it’s lack of precision with words that you believe things that aren’t true. The covid vaccines cannot give you covid. You can still get covid and even die from it, but the vaccine increases the body’s defenses versus no vaccine. Vaccines don’t prevent viruses from getting in. It isn’t really complicated.

 

I don't believe he was claiming the covid vaccine caused covid deaths, just other deaths. Which there have been, though quite rare, at vastly lower rates than his claim. I don't know of any vaccines that are completely risk free.

The smallpox inoculations of the Valley Forge era (and earlier) did cause many smallpox deaths, but at rate one to two orders of magnitude less than from the disease's spread in the wild.

 

not unless you count healthy athletes (& others) dropping dead from heart failure - that the medical industry finally acknowledges but held back until overwhelming pressure

 

Can you link that please?

 

On the treadmill right now. Hope I don't over stress my heart doing this 3½° incline

 

Myocarditis and pericarditis, been covered here before. More likely in young men and adolescents, but still much lower risk than from covid disease itself. More of a problem with traditional-type vaccines such as the J&J and Novavax products than from the newer-type mRNA vaccines, which is why the former have been pulled from the U.S. market, as the Pfizer and Moderna mRNA products have proven safer.

Stanford Medicine study shows why mRNA COVID-19 vaccine can cause myocarditis

Clinical Considerations: Myocarditis after COVID-19 Vaccines | CDC

 

I’m looking for the number of deaths finally acknowledged by the medical community

 

Right!

It was Israeli Health officials that were first to notice. USA Health agencies after that, and only when pressured from them - did Pfizer et al finally own up to it - all the while attempting to emphasize (if not overemphasize) that it's 'only' the one in untold thousands. But that heart inflammation often leads to permanent damage

 

Ah. So I would probably want to minimize the greater risk of it that comes with having COVID.

 

I don’t see any medical industry link?

 

Stanford doctor seems to think the heart heals, IF the very unlikely chance the vaccine caused it. Unfortunately for your argument, getting covid is much harder on the heart. So every anti vax idea is pretty much debunked at this point, as they should be, given they are made up bs. Looks like no downside to getting the shots.

 

You perform a Bait & Switch here:

These "Preliminary reports" are not death reports.

Show us your actual link(s) so that we can dig into the details of what they are really reporting. And find what you are leaving out. Otherwise, you are just spreading FUD.

 

OMG...is it just me or does it seem that a poor dead horse is getting beaten beyond recognition?

Get the "vaccine" or not. I wish I could say it doesn't matter to me, but it does.

Anyway, my fam, including all pets, are all full of the evil vaccines and I know we all glow at night and speak in tongues, but the science says get vaxxed.
kris

 

The original CDC report appears to be 'lost' in the archiving process. Here is a related article containing the same graphic [emphasis added]:

Overview of Myocarditis Cases Caused by the COVID-19 Vaccine | DAIC
"Israel Was First to Identify the Link with Myocarditis Cases and the COVID Vaccine
Israel's vaccination program moved very quickly early on and was the first to determine there was a possible link with the vaccine and the onset of myocarditis in young men ages 16-30. The first reported case of myocarditis was a 19-year-old who was hospitalized Feb 1.[1] However, they determined there was not a significant safety issue after reviewing the case.[2]

Israel determined the risks of complications from coronavirus outweighs the risks posed by the vaccine's side effects, explained Matthew Daley, M.D., CDC Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices work group chair, and a pediatrician with Colorado Permanente Medical Group. He explained at the meeting the Israelis noted that the myocarditis cases, mainly observed in teenagers 16-19, were very low and in most cases passed with no complications. For these reasons, he said Israel pushed ahead with its nation-wide vaccination efforts. "