12V battery died again

Discussion in 'Gen 5 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by IABoy987, Mar 27, 2026 at 6:18 PM.

  1. IABoy987

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    Months ago I posted about my Prime 12V battery dying, and the knowledgeable people here explained the Prime battery facts of life to me. What I should have done instead of using the accessory position, was to turn the car "fully on" ready to drive in order that the big battery keeps little 12V happy.

    So today while wife ran some errand I waited in the car. I turn the car "fully on" and verified that in fact car would actually move in F or R gear. I then pushed the park button and started reading a book. About 30 minutes later the radio went off and the dash indicator said "12V battery low, see owners manual." :( I turned off car and when wife returned much later, luckily the car started and we drove home.:)

    Obviously having car ready to drive, but not actually driving, does not "connect" big battery to keep little battery charged up.

    Am I missing something as in a work around would be to put on parking brake, keep foot brake pedal depressed and car in F position so big battery actually keeps 12V alive?
     
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    Your profile says 2018. Is this a Gen5?

    Anyway, I have an '26 HEV, but I just went out, started the car, put it in Park with the radio on and went inside the house for a while. The battery monitor shows it was charging when in Park. Only for a few minutes though, I didn't let it go for a long time.

    The only time I got that message was when I was fooling around with my dashcam on Accessory. It wasn't too long either, so it's pretty sensitive.

    I cut and pasted a couple of things from my manual.

    This is probably a PHEV specific thing, I bet.

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    Thank you VelvetFoot for the information. ;) A lot of good stuff, but not sure how much is applicable to my "older" Prime.
    Yes, my Prime is a 2018 so what generation category should I be looking in? I saw plug in and troubleshooting and went here thinking where my Prime is.
     
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    Have you checked your battery voltage with a meter or ever replaced your 12V battery? Using a volt meter will tell you, if your system is working properly. Car OFF should read 12.xV, car ON at least 13.8V+. If your car isn't doing that; there's a problem with your DC-DC converter or your not in "READY" mode. If you was actually in "READY" mode, there's NO way the battery could've slid under 12V. Even if your traction battery ran low; the car's ECU would've turned-ON the ICE, same as it would while your driving. Have you ever replaced the OEM battery from 2018, it's 8 years old and probably on it's last legs. Get a free check at any auto parts store.
    There's also a misconception that there is a 12V maintenance charge while the car is plugged-in. That is WRONG; the 12V maintenance charge is ONLY ON while the traction battery is ACTIVELY charging. If your read your OM; it states to unplug your car after the traction battery is fully charge; otherwise the car will actually drain your 12V battery by doing more internal readiness testing.

    FWIW; the car will start with the battery all the way down to around 10.75V; but it may start throwing phantom error codes due to lack of power.

    IMHO; testing is the only way to nail-down an issue. Guessing usually doesn't solve anything. Good Luck....
     
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    was there something about gen 4 that wouldn't let you camp in it because it shuts down after a certain time?
     
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    Thanks for the battery information.:)
    I checked my records and the 12V was replaced with a genuine Toyota battery April 2023, when I had car towed in due to dead battery. Dealers said battery load tested showed was bad and replaced. Did not say if they investigated further or just replaced battery and done.
    I will check the 12V with my good Fluke multimeter and see what kind of voltages are happening in plugged in/ unplugged, Off, Accessory, and Drive positions.
     
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    Since I've retired; I've noticed my battery hovering around 12V or just below - now that it isn't a daily driver. It's never stranded me or failed to start; but I do keep an eye on it's level and place it on a 6A charge for a few hours a couple times a year. This gets the battery back up to 12.5+V - where it should always reside. I do unplug after the traction battery fully charges; though sometimes the next morning.

    Hope this helps......

    I don't believe the 20 minute auto-shut-off limitation applies to the gen4 Prime - don't know for sure, never tested that. If it does apply, the simple work-around would be to set your parking brakes and throw the car into N. This serves two purposes, If the car isn't in "ready" mode - the car won't go into N. You KNOW your in ACC mode and NOT Ready. You need to be careful though, because you can easily bump the car into D. This shouldn't be an issue, if your parking brakes is set and your not on the "gas pedal".:cool:
     
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    my experience with the Gen4 Prime in READY mode for around 30 minutes, CD playing, ( in HV mode, so the engine can switch on if the system calls for it to) is that the (hybrid - big- battery) looses charge slowly 1/10 mile worth at a time on the dash gauge. I never looked at the 12 volt reading on any of the apps I have on my phone that show it during those times.
    My cars 12 volt system typically shows the 12 volt readings of around 12.2 - 12.3 after the first push of the ( READY button ) and 14.1 volts after the second push of the READY button. YMMV

    There are modes and/or settings combinations that will drain the 12 volt system !
    @ChapmanF can explain the technical details of why the Toyota Hybrid Synergy Drive system behaves that way.
    If I recall correctly A/C on in HV mode and neutral gear is the Big one ! 10 volts in less than 1 minute..
     
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