sunsetting the old prius

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by Chris77*, Mar 9, 2026.

  1. bisco

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    Start a new thread in the private sale forum, be sure to put location in the title.
    Rising gas prices should bring a good price,
    All the best!
     
  2. pasadena_commut

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    The math is right but the economics are incomplete. The problem is that the carbon dioxide released should be taxed at a rate proportional to the amount emitted, but it isn't. Not just for cars, but for all carbon sources. Dumping millions of years of stored carbon into the atmosphere on a hundred year time scale is doing some really bad things to the environment, and until the world gets serious about stopping that then polluting with carbon will continue to be free. People can take some responsibility at a personal level though, for instance by choosing to drive a car that releases the least carbon dioxide for the miles covered. It won't make much of a difference, but then, neither does choosing not to piss on somebody else's lawn.

    How much it should be taxed is a matter of debate. The damage which results has been placed between $50 and $200/ton of carbon dioxide released, and to first order that should be the tax rate. It is around 105 gallons of gas to make a ton of CO2. Using the high end of the damage range, that would work out to a tax of about $2/gallon. Gas where I am is now well north of $5/gallon and going up rapidly. That says the price should be $7/gallon with the CO2 tax included. Even at $5/gallon I'm sure a lot of people are currently regretting driving their trucks and SUVs, and it would favor driving a hybrid.

    A BEV would be better for this than the hybrid, of course. However, the "who gets stuck replacing the battery" issue is even greater there than it is for a hybrid. Most current BEVs are better thought of as an enormous battery that comes with a car attached rather than the other way around, at least in terms of the price of repairs.
     
  3. Chris77*

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    I am a tree hugger but this is were reality meets the road. There are no charging capabilities within even mid income apartments. The Green New Scam literally subsidized the richest man in the world on a luxury car line. Now we dont have charging stations. Besides that evs depreciate faster then the value of fuel. I am not at a point financially when I can donate to the cause any longer. I can't spend 5000$ on hybrid parts and only drive 25k over the next 5 to 10yrs. Besides you really dont want to see oil at 200 a barrel this is when gas would be close to 10/gal. Then I can start to think about a hybrid advantage over 25k miles. If gas gets this high there will be problems all over the world. Think, the Philipines has 45 days of fuel left right now. It would literally crush the world back the the Volker era. I am still a tree hugger but damn I can just drive less accomplishes more.
     
  4. pasadena_commut

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    Part of the high rate of depreciation is that pretty much all the BEVs sold in the US are upscale, and upscale cars as a group depreciate quickly. Being seen in a prestige car from 5 years ago sort of defeats the purpose of owning one in the first place. There is now only one reasonably priced BEV built in the US, the Bolt, and GM treats it like a red haired step child. There are inexpensive BEVs built elsewhere in the world, but you can't get them here. A BYD Dolphin (formerly the seagull, a strange name transition) can be purchased in Mexico for around $22k - $23k. That's $5k-$6k less than a Bolt. But we can't buy that BYD, or any other Chinese car, since they currently have a 100% import tariff and other rules that make it essentially impossible to bring one in.

    Charging can be a problem for people who don't live in houses. Much less so for those who do. There are an awful lot of chargers in my locale now, like 10 or so at each Target parking lot. That isn't enough though to support everybody driving cars if a large fraction of them cannot charge at home.

    If the current war goes as badly as it seems to be, and gas gets up to $10/gal, the BEV owners will have the last laugh. In CA electricity comes from everything but petroleum (it generates less than 0.1%). This is the most recent report I could find:

    2024 Total System Electric Generation

    If the price of gas gets that high one would expect the prices of used BEVs to climb in response. At least in locales like mine where the price of electricity is essentially independent on the price of oil. (Excluding indirect inflation feeding back into the cost.)
     
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    NEVER.

    I think I'm in it for the long-haul. I've had 3 so far.

    First 2007 Prius was totalled in an accident (not my fault). It has 270K miles and was going pretty strong. I guess its been put out to pasture in my backyard though. Its underneath a tarp.

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    2nd is my 2007 Prius that has 350K but now the actuator is bad and needs replaced otherwise its a great car I've driven for over 100K miles no issues.

    3rd is my 2008 Prius has 220K that has a hybrid battery issue but otherwise (fingers-crossed) is in good shape if hybrid battery is fixable. don't drive it enough to know other issues yet.
     
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    Seems like you have a donor actuator literally sitting in the backyard. Unless you don't want to use one that old, of course.
     
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    its my donor but I've used or sold or stripped many of the parts (headlights, spark plug cables, etc.). my plan for summer/spring is to finally strip it of anything usable and junk it.